UHD Display, Capture One and Windows 10
Hi
I am looking at getting a new laptop, it's primary use will be photo tethering/editing with Capture One, now I'd like a UHD display, but lots of reviews point out that Windows isn't so good on UHD displays
So question is, how does Capture One look/feel on a UHD display under windows?
If not good, would it better under OS X?
Thanks
Dave
I am looking at getting a new laptop, it's primary use will be photo tethering/editing with Capture One, now I'd like a UHD display, but lots of reviews point out that Windows isn't so good on UHD displays
So question is, how does Capture One look/feel on a UHD display under windows?
If not good, would it better under OS X?
Thanks
Dave
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Windows has a scaling feature, so if you can't see the information easily on a high res display, just up the zoom in the display control panel. 0 -
Thanks Bob, but wouldn't upping the zoom sort of defeat the point of getting the UHD dispaly? 0 -
Some forum threads indicate that 4K resolution slows down C1 very noticably. Previews must have higher resultion which means slower when generating and also when viewing/brushing.
I refer mainly to Retina display, 4K iMac etc. Unless somebody with an UHD actually confirms that performance is not a problem I would be cautious, maybe you can test C1 on the desired Notebook?0 -
[quote="thoroughly.exposed" wrote:
Thanks Bob, but wouldn't upping the zoom sort of defeat the point of getting the UHD dispaly?
depends on how good your eyesight is and if you have trouble reading the text..0 -
I would imagine that a hi res display on a laptop (assuming not more that a 17" screen) would result in impressive looking full size pictures and lovely 4k video.
But it may need to be run at something of lower resolution to usable for anything else that involves screen interaction and reading text, etc.
Using a large size monitor - say 30" or so? - would probably be where the benefits are to be found for all activities.
I run a 1920x1080 display on a 15" laptop and that is OK but I doubt the practicality of going for any higher resolution - other than for image display. Slide shows would probably look great. But then they look pretty good as it is, in so far as a slide show on a laptop can be compared with the same on a large screen.
Grant0 -
Thanks for the replies guys
I was looking at the Dell XPS 15 UHD which is pretty high spec, certainly higher spec than the retina macbook pro at the same price (£1599)
Processor
Intel i7-6700HQ Quad Core
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64-bit English
Display
15.6" 4K Ultra HD (3840 x 2160) InfinityEdge touch
Memory
16GB Dual Channel DDR4 2133Mhz (8GBx2)
Hard Drive
512GB PCIe Solid State Drive
Video Card
NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 960M with 2GB GDDR5
http://www.dell.com/uk/p/xps-15-9550-la ... 550-laptop
Thanks again
Dave0 -
1. Do the tools / sliders and repective texts of Capture One scale up by some Windows setting? (sorry that I have no answer). If not you will probably become unhappy with the C1 user interface.
2. You should always set the C1 preview size to your screen (viewer) resolution.
That means that (1) the performance on viewing and editing might suffer and (2) you need more space for previews and probably layer mask files. Are you willing to accept that for a higher resolution?
I have a 15.6 inch notebook with 1600x900 (Dell M4500) with a sharp screen, the highest resolution I would want to have on this screen size is 1920x1080
Just my thoughts.0 -
ah, 3.: If you zoom to 100% in C1 to verify your edits, sharpness, noise etc. you still have a "tiny" image (depending on your camera resolution of course)
Can you return the notebook if you're not satisfied? Then try it out if it suits you...0 -
what I did not understand from the web page is whether or not only the hi-res screen has 100% Adobe RGB, if that matters to you... 0 -
Dave,
You may want to check out the Dell Precision 7510 series for a comparison.
Once configured there seem to be some interesting possibilities for not much more money at the moment. Maybe even the same money if you pick and choose carefully. It's a more highly configurable option for any future expansion too.
So you could buy at a sensible price and later add a second internal drive if you wish. They have 4 memory slots - so RAM expansion is easy enough. The CPUs offered are a tad more powerful I suspect and ditto the GPU's although the specs available are still nothing special.
I have an M4700 that I have been using for 3 years with Win 7 and I don't feel it is running out of power yet - although to be fair I have not moved to cameras producing very large RAW files. But I have tested a few files and not noticed anything espcially worrying about performance.
HTH.
Grant0 -
Does Dell still have the repair program where a tech comes to your place or was that only for businesses and/or workstations?
I wouldn't buy a Windows laptop if the manufacturer didn't have a fast and responsive customer service & repair available.0 -
[quote="Wesley" wrote:
I wouldn't buy a Windows laptop if the manufacturer didn't have a fast and responsive customer service & repair available.
Why not?
I have yet to have a problem with a laptop, or any computer come to that, that required an engineer to attend. Most things that are likely to occur are easily fixable - if not self fixable then someone local will have the ability.
To some extend that might depend on where in the world one lives ... but so might the service availability.
Grant0 -
Thanks again for the input guys
Dell do next business day on-site hardware repairs in the first year (how long it takes for them to confirm it's a hardware fault is another matter 😉 )
According to a couple of the reviews I have read the UHD display is 100% Adobe RGB coverage and 95% of NTSC, the screen has been updated a few times, the latest are reportedly sharp igzo, they do cause a problem with drool apparently 😉
I have emailed support to ask if C1's UI scales well, hopefully the reply will be "Beautifully" 😄
I checked out the 7510 Grant, thanks, the laptop isn't going to be my main image processing tool though, I still have my PC, the laptop is more for in the field, so size, weight and battery (the XPS 15 using just the m.2 SSD has space for a larger battery)
Thanks again
Dave0 -
[quote="thoroughly.exposed" wrote:
15.6" 4K Ultra HD (3840 x 2160) InfinityEdge touch
wonder if you could get Dell on false advertising? seeing as 4K isn't 3840x2160 but 4096 x 21600 -
[quote="Bobtographer" wrote:
[quote="thoroughly.exposed" wrote:
15.6" 4K Ultra HD (3840 x 2160) InfinityEdge touch
wonder if you could get Dell on false advertising? seeing as 4K isn't 3840x2160 but 4096 x 2160
too many places use the terms interchangeably ☹️
it used to p me off when people that were supposed to know what they were talking about would say “4K or OLED†like they were two competing technologies0 -
[quote="SFA" wrote:
[quote="Wesley" wrote:
I wouldn't buy a Windows laptop if the manufacturer didn't have a fast and responsive customer service & repair available.
Why not?
I have yet to have a problem with a laptop, or any computer come to that, that required an engineer to attend. Most things that are likely to occur are easily fixable - if not self fixable then someone local will have the ability.
To some extend that might depend on where in the world one lives ... but so might the service availability.
Grant
Keyword here is "yet". You are good luck.
I had my GPU fail on my Macbook twice (1yr & 1.5yr apart) which require a motherboard change. Bought Apple's extended repair program in the beginning and definitely got my moneys worth & good customer service.
I wouldn't be so inclined if it was a custom made desktop but I can't easily fix a laptop with more parts being soldered.
Don't want to be jumping through hoops and waiting on hold to get service. Well, those were the days when I had a custom PC and got DOA parts or needed to use warranty for faulty parts later.0 -
[quote="Bobtographer" wrote:
[quote="thoroughly.exposed" wrote:
15.6" 4K Ultra HD (3840 x 2160) InfinityEdge touch
wonder if you could get Dell on false advertising? seeing as 4K isn't 3840x2160 but 4096 x 2160
4K standard for consumer media & electronics is 3840 x 2160, this is 16:9 ratio.
4096 x 2160 is standard in film/video production.0 -
I have good experience with the Dell service 5 years ago. When I bougth my M4500, the notebook (mobile workstation) failed with a blue screen once in a while. Diagnostics did not really reveal the root cause.
The service technician appeared 3 times within two weeks, always changing one or the other part, the last time the complete motherboard if I remember correctly.
Each time he was on-site within 1 or two days (depending on the parts to replace). All covered by the respective service package.0 -
[quote="thoroughly.exposed" wrote:
I checked out the 7510 Grant, thanks, the laptop isn't going to be my main image processing tool though, I still have my PC, the laptop is more for in the field, so size, weight and battery (the XPS 15 using just the m.2 SSD has space for a larger battery)
Thanks again
Dave
I hear you.
But.
I'm not sure about the battery situation. I didn't see an option listed. But my M4700 was specced (by whoever ordered it before I picked it up through the Dell Outlet for a lot less than list) with the bigger capacity battery. They used to do a 6 cell and a 9 cell.
There was a time when you could also by a battery that could be swapped with the DVD drive ...
The chassis for the 17" screens seemed to have spare space for lots of stuff on the old models - even 2 HDDs. I have not checked the new ones.
As for travelling - yep, light and slight sounds good to me too.
However .... the M4700 is built like a concrete bunker. I have inadvertently allowed mine to slide off my lap a few times and you would not know. The only thing that has worn, apart from the keyboard markings on the left hand Shift key, is one of the rubber feet which I think caught on something at one point and pulled out of its locating holes and eventually the section that was loose split of after a year or so. A pity it was not the other side - that comes with the battery which, I assume, will need to be changed eventually.
So yes, the weight ain't great, though not that bad either even on this older model - helped by 2 SSDs of course.
But the build should be good for surviving travel - assuming the new ones are anything like as well thought through as earlier models.
There may be a trade in there somewhere - I can't be sure.
Grant0 -
I am not sure how you say 4K is not 3840 X 2160, that is 2X the size in each direction of a 2K (Normal HD 1920X1080). Its like Harddrives a K does not mean 1024.
As per Wiki:
Two different resolution standard for 4K video.
The DCI 4K resolution standard, which has a resolution of 4096 x 2160 pixels (256:135, approximately a 1.9:1 aspect ratio). This standard is widely respected by the film and video production industry.[5] The DCI 4K standard has twice the horizontal and vertical resolution of DCI 2K.
UHD-1, or ultra-high-definition television (UHDTV), is the 4K standard for television. UHD-1 is also called 2160p[6][7] since it has twice the horizontal and vertical resolution of 1080p.[8] It has a resolution of 3840 x 2160 (16:9, or approximately a 1.78:1 aspect ratio). UHD-1 is used in consumer television and other media, e.g. video games.
Robert0 -
[quote="BeO" wrote:
Some forum threads indicate that 4K resolution slows down C1 very noticably. Previews must have higher resultion which means slower when generating and also when viewing/brushing.
I refer mainly to Retina display, 4K iMac etc. Unless somebody with an UHD actually confirms that performance is not a problem I would be cautious, maybe you can test C1 on the desired Notebook?
I confirm the issue!
I bought a Asus PB287Q which is linked to a i5/64GB Ram/500GB SSD/AMD Radeon R9 290 PC, and it is way slower than with a QHD or Full HD Monitor. So I am wondering if i will sell this monitor and buy a top QHD display instead.
If i am right a 4k screen is ~8mio pixels and a QHD is ~3mio pixels to handle.
David0 -
Compared to a FHD screen, you have around 4 times more pixels, and with a 5k screen, you 4x times the number pixels of a retina macBook Pro.
That is a lot of pixels!
Given the same processing power, there will of course be a performance hit. Getting a 4-5k screen requires a lot more of the hardware, when it comes to Capture One.0
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