Blending mode on layers
Implemented
Having the ability to carry just the current image to a layer and then applying a blending mode would be extremely nice feature. An even more robust request would be to allow importing any image onto a layer and then applying a blending mode. But I could live with just using the existing image for now. I realize that this would require C1 to process the layers in a specific order, which is not the case now.
I have use ON1 Photoraw prior to C1 and that is the one feature I really miss from ON1. ON1 is a non-destructive editor.
Kevin
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Yes, ON1 is a non-destructive editor, but my recollection from trying it a little is that as soon as you add layers, it has to create a (rather large!) file in its own .ONPhoto format. I just tried it to remind myself. I loaded a .NEF file of 23.7 MB, duplicated it as a layer without doing anything else, and it saved a .ONPhoto file of 186.3 MB (several times the combined size of the two layers). So just as with things like Affinity Photo or Photoshop, you get a very large file saved in a proprietary format. (As long as you stay away from layers, ON1 saves its adjustments in a .ON1 sidecar file of very modest size, I should add.) The thing is that ON1 combines the functions of a raw editor like Capture One or Lightroom, with the pixel editor functions of something like Photoshop or Affinity Photo. Non destructive it may be, but it can't work with layers in the way that you would like Capture One to do without creating a separate (large) file. The Layers in Capture One are not Layers in the same sense, and I wish they had kept just calling them local adjustments, because now people expect them to be layers in the Photoshop sense.
Ian
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Ian,
I would have loved to stay with ON1, and I have used them for over 3 years as my main editor. But, to be honest, I believe that they are a very immature software package and every single time they come out with an update or a release, they break things, lots of existing things. Not just a few. I lost the use of my Wacom tablet for about a year. Last fall I reached my breaking point with ON1, jumped ship. I also have Affinity Photo now and I just need to spend some quality time with it to figure out how to do what I did in ON1.
But, if C1 can come up with a way to add blending modes and sequence the processing order of layers, or whatever they might come up with different, even if it is on the one and only image open, I would be very happy with that as a solution.
Kevin
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@Ian Wilson
I don't see how the feature request necessarily has to result in the use of large files.
Just because ON1's implementation incurs this drawback, doesn't mean that every implementation needs to follow suit.Also, I don't see what is wrong about people wanting to use C1 layers in similar ways to PS layers, for instance.
Anyone who doesn't want that would be free to not use layers in this manner and wouldn't have to accept any potentially related drawbacks.0 -
@Class A
Well, after posting earlier, I tried out the same thing with Photoshop and with Affinity Photo. Photoshop produced a .psd file of almost exactly the same size as ON1's .ONPhoto file. Affinity produced a .afphoto file that was a little smaller, but of he same order of magnitude. I am no technical expert, but I assume that if three of the main contenders in this area all produce humungous files, it is not because they prefer large files to small ones. I would have thought that the likes of ON1, Affinity, and Photoshop would have a significant selling point if they could do what they do with files that were tens of MB not a couple of hundred MB.
I suppose that what I think is wrong with wanting to be able to use Capture One layers like that is it would be steering Capture One towards being a very different kind of program. I don't much like ON1 for several reasons, but I think that one of its issues is that it tries to be an all-in-one program that combines the functions of a raw editor and pixel-based editor. If I want to combine two images into one (such as what people do with "sky replacement", which I am not actually much interested in) I would be happy to, and perhaps prefer to, use a specialist app for the job such as Affinity or Photoshop, rather than have Capture One try to do everything and not do it so well.
Ian
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@Kevin Pinkerton
Are you familiar with LightZone software?
If not you might find it interesting to take a look. At least as far as Blend Modes are concerned.
There's no catalogue requirement so you can edit source file images as you find them on the disk Any Source files that are no within a catalogue can have edits created. In that respect is it somewhat similar to how one can work with C1 sessions.
I have not used it for a while. Much as I liked it and could immerse myself in what it offered back when it was a commercially available product, when I tried C1 at its version 5 development point I found I got better results as a start point from C1 without really needing to do anything to them.
LightZones features are fun and great to experiment with but that's the problem. If you are dealing with a large volume of images it will likely just take too long to get the results near comparable to C1. Or at least that is what I decided for my stuff. YMMV.
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SFA,
Not familiar with LightZone, but I am always willing to investigate. My layering in ON1 was really more of using their built in "filters" with blending modes. In the older ON1, these filters were called effects and they are somewhat labeled that way still. And the ones I often played with were just using a copy of the current image. In these cases, they did not require a complete new image to be added into a layer. The filters are really each on their own "layers" and can be turned on and off and have blending modes. For example, one I loved to use when finishing up an image was their Glow filter. It has a ton of flavors, like the Orton styles, and one ON1 calls Charge More. If I could add two layers of the existing image, and blur one and focus one, I believe I could simulate the Orton style. Especially using the opacity and blend modes.
I was planning on spending some learning time with Affinity Photo this week and get my head wrapped around it's flow and interface. That may do what I want. But it does not hurt to ask for something. All they can say is no.0 -
Hi Kevin,
Thank you for feedback on Capture One - this is always welcomed and encouraged among our users and we appreciate the time you've taken to contribute towards the development of the software.
I have forwarded your comments and suggestions to our Product Management team as something to consider in a future release.
Whilst we cannot comment on future releases, we take all suggestions on board and hopefully your feedback contributes towards a future version of Capture One.
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