Copying and Applying Adjustments across Sessions/Catalogs
Perhaps the community can provide some guidance here.
Frequently I stack multiple styles and adjustments (via various layers) to create a final image. Ideally I'd like to be able to save all of those tweaks made as a "style" to then apply to future images. It seems this isn't possible as styles as far as I can tell are based on a single layer. This is frustrating.
The work around is to copy the adjustments of one image and apply them to another. This is easy to do within a single session, but this is a nightmare when you are working with many sessions. I don't want to have to open session after session to find images to copy and then apply adjustments.
I'm not seeing a way to save adjustments as a "preset" of sorts (yes I know the definition of preset in C1 is tied to a single tool, so it wouldn't be the correct term) but want to be able to save all of those settings and adjustments in one swoop to then apply it to other images.
It seems C1 is severely limited in this respect. Are there any options or work around I'm not aware of?
Even creating a new style out of 3 layers worth of styles (set at various capacities) would be every helpful. I'm dumbfounded as to why this doesn't seem possible.
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Thanks Walter. The "sample" session idea did cross my mind but I haven't gone down the path yet.
The idea of taking up gigs worth of space for what I'd hope would really be as simple as saving "presets" (not to mention the broken workflow that route creates).
So far it is looking like an option though.
You are correct about masks, but the workflow and concept would still provide benefit even if it excludes masks. One does not necessarily have to use masks on a layer. I certainly do frequently, but I can have a handful of layers that don't even involve a mask to get the base image idea, (it makes for much easier A/B testing and working out adjustments with various tools as well as the additive effect. Then I'll get into additional layers with masks.
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> Brian Walton: ...One does not necessarily have to use masks on a layer. I certainly do frequently, but I can have a handful of layers that don't even involve a mask
Hmm, I always have masks with my layers and I have tried to figure out how you actually use maskless layers. Could you elaborate a bit and possibly share an example or two?
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Ahh, yes to be clear I'm talking about creating layers that have a fill mask over the entire image evenly. There is no part of the image that has a variation in the adjustments applied.
It does make changes and A/B comparisions easier, and it also allows one to change the opacity of a layer to make an effect more subtle this is especcialy important as you add different layers and styles on top of each other.
I combine layers with fill masks and styles all the time. Try adding a style to layer one, then add another filled layer and apply a different style. WHen you find a combo that works and has a pleasing result the idea would be to save that as a new look. However this can't be done as a style, and to re-create that same look on a single layer so it could be saved as a style can be very difficult espeically if you are using curves with a multitue of nodes and differnet settings on the color wheel, etc.
Then imagine tryign to do that with say 4-5 layers where these adjustments have been appliend and with various opacities. Only the most highly skilled re-touchers could duplicate this type of work on a single layer so a new style could be saved that represented the exact same effect as the copy all adjustments layer would.
I do use masks for additional localized adjustments, but building up the base image can be done with the approach above which has only "solid" filled layers and perhpas some opacity adjustment to each.
Some of my best color grades and finished works take this approach which can create happy accidents as I mix and match styles and additional tweaks I create. Of course many combinations look horrific, but if you have a bunch of styles you have created (or purchased) the combination of styles on an image can be quite useful.
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Brian,
I have to say you approach sound interesting but a little convoluted for my taste. I'm not sure I have so many situations where a bespoke "Style" created from multiple layers of other "Styles" would work from one image to another let alone across sessions on totally different shoots. However that may be something that works for you on whatever you shoot.
Assuming that when you mention "Session" you mean a C1 "Session", as opposed to a catalogue, one option you have is to open the folder that contains you layer based style image in you new session. Highlight the door image and the receiving image(s) and and copy from the donor to the recipient.
If you choose to create a "reference" Session for such special styles it should be possible to find and open any of its folders pretty quickly from another session.
HTH
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HTH,
Do you use styles or adjustments across different images? If so, then it is literally no different in the approach of what I'm trying to achieve. There are multiple problems with getting one single layer to get a "look." My approach just gives more flexibility than what is offered in the ability to save and apply (without having to use the adjustment layers - which if you have used them can take a long time to apply - and can't be exported or shared across computers - which I do a lot of.
Outside of continuing to create a "session" that is specifically for this and export that session to another computer each time I want to work...which is pretty absurd.
Just as you apply a style and then adjust it (either directly or with another filled layer) the approach and usefulness across images is no different. I think many photographers shoot in similar locations with similar equipment across "sessions." I'm sure some photographers think styles or presents don't make sense.
Think of my idea as creating a preset, just as anyone else would on a single layer. The usage would be exactly the same. My approach just adds flexibility and would be far more useful if C1 would simply take those adjustments I've made across layers and add them as a single "style"
I've done enough of the copy and paste of adjustments across images taken at various times with various subjects to know it has the same validity and usefulness as a style created from a single layer.
With this concept it isn't just about layering existing styles. Even building one up from scratch shouldn't be dependent on a single layer. As I build a style and try different things and combinations doing so on one single layer is a sure fire way to get in a rut or not be adventurous. I frequently arrive at a place where I think, this is interesting, now I want to change it more...the easiest way to do that is to just add another fill layer and make adjustments there and so forth. Then you can always revert back. Then the final look is what I want to save, not just "layer 1" or "layer 4"
The reference session is the only option so far, but that has some very serious workflow limitations. With styles you can flip through them and see how each adjusts the image in a second or less. Switching sessions copy and applying an adjustment then undoing the adjustment to try another one can take 20 seconds (or even more) per attempt depending on the layers and adjustments present.
(not to mention I have a small session open right now with 40 images - even with that we are looking at 4 gigs of extra space on the HD just to have the "reference" instead of less than a Meg that 40 styles would take up)
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