Fuji X10 raw support
If I understand correctly, I have to create a support case, in order to
recommend raw support for the new Fuji X10?
I have tried entering a support case, but the procedure requires a
digital back serial number, which makes no sense, since I put *n/a
into the digital back data window. The DSLR radio button is permanently
grayed out, thus preventing me from proceeding with my request.
Is there a work-around for this conundrum?
Rob
recommend raw support for the new Fuji X10?
I have tried entering a support case, but the procedure requires a
digital back serial number, which makes no sense, since I put *n/a
into the digital back data window. The DSLR radio button is permanently
grayed out, thus preventing me from proceeding with my request.
Is there a work-around for this conundrum?
Rob
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Skip the s/n field. More:
http://www.phaseone.com/en/search/artic ... nguageid=10 -
As Paul said, just skip the serial number field (I put 'NA'). I'm posting in order to encourage other C1 users who own the X10 to put in a request. I use C1 for my Nikon D700 conversions, however, I recently picked up the X10 to supplement the DSLR. Although the JPGS out of the X10 are excellent, I really would like to have a good converter for the raws. 0 -
Thanks, Paul and Bill. Just put in my official support case for the
Fuji X10. I've got my fingers crossed.
Rob0 -
Here is another request for Fuji X10 raw support, please.
I suspect that following the Christmas period, there will be quite a few new X10 users who are disappointed that C1 is not available to them and we have to fall back on Camera Raw.0 -
I tried the DNG converter v. 6.6 with the X10 RAFs and the resulting files are not rendered properly by C1 v. 6.3.2 (also the ACR 6.2 from within Elements 8 does something strange with them -- sharpness and mazing artefacts, but at least the colours are OK). RawTherapee 4.0.6.4 doesn't have the colour profiles either (although it sounds like the latest dcraw supports the X10 so it's a matter of some time before RT does have the support). All of this, plus the poorly compressed RAFs and reportedly slow raw-jpeg write times on the X10 might encourage traditional raw users (like myself) to consider switching to jpeg shooting with this camera (or, developing the raws in-camera to get the Fuji rendering with the advantages of the raw format).
I wonder if PhaseOne really started thinking about supporting this EXR-sensor based camera because it looks like this technology poses some problems for the designers of raw converters (apparently you can't use the blanket approach with this type of sensor). Anyway, there's at least 4 people that claim to have lodged the support request -- that doesn't look too impressive but clearly there is demand for a good raw converter for this interesting little camera -- I keep coming across this request on various photo fora. The problem is those people will never go as far as lodging the request with the support.0 -
6.3.3. with preliminary X10 support just went live on the website.
http://www.phaseone.com/en/Downloads/CaptureOne.aspx
Happy New Year0 -
Thanks for the heads-up on this one, James. Preliminary support is fine because it shows that our voices have been heard. Now it's testing time to see if the preliminary support can better the in-camera jpeg engine.
All the best in 2012,
Marcin0 -
Thanks a lot !!!!!!!!!!!!
Andy0 -
Just wanted to say thank you, been using the x10 for a few weeks now, stoked to have raw support on Capture One! 0 -
Dear Friends:
I have an X10 for just 3 days.
I was very happy to see that C1 was available for X10.
I downloaded it and tested it.
My surprise is that even at ISO 100, the real output is always is around 6 mp. Aprox. 2800x2100.
Do you have an idea why is this happening to me?
Is it a C1 problem or an X10 configuration?
The same files in JPG are 12 mp.
Thank you in advance.
Jordi0 -
[quote="NN181940UL2" wrote:
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My surprise is that even at ISO 100, the real output is always is around 6 mp. Aprox. 2800x2100.
Do you have an idea why is this happening to me?
Hi Jordi, same here (downloaded a .RAF file from the internet). Could you open a support case with Phase One? Maybe it is part of the preliminary support and is full 4000 x 3000 pixel support pending. Image quality seems very good, by the way.0 -
Dear Paul:
Yes, maybe C1 will complete the X10 integration in the near future.
On the other hand, I am happy to own X10, taking into account that it is not a DSRL.
When I need a camera all the time with me I will get X10 if not I ´ll get my 1d4 and 1ds2 Canon DSRL.
BR
Jordi0 -
Unfortunately it would seem that the X10 is the same sensor type as the S3 camera.
The S3 is a bit confusing as it claims to be a 12mp Camera but containins "S-pixel: 6.17 million, R-pixel: 6.17 million" and only one array of pixels is recognized. From our experience with the S3 in the past, the Fuji software scales the 6mp RAW file to be a 12mp image. This can be done in Capture One by scaling at 200%.
The complications in explaining this are further compounded as the Fuji chips are set at a 45° angle and the Bayer is not a standard. All of this results in a very unique chip and file.
Reference;
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=567&p=2071#p20710 -
Drew,
it is not just he Fuji software that scales the RAWs. I've an X10 so I was first very pleased when Adobe supported the camera in their latest versions of Lightroom and Camera RAW. When processing my first Fuji RAWs though the results very way below my expectations: rather unsharp and noisy.
Today I've processed the same files with Capture One; the result is a material improvement both in terms of colour rendition and per-pixel quality compared to the Adobe results.
The difference in per-pixel quality is easily explained. While Adobe scales the output to 12MP (without providing a choice), Capture One produces a 6MP output. Subsequent upscaling to 12MP produces comparable results at pixel level. Overall, the Capture One workflow delivers much more pleasing results due to more natural colour rendition.
Considering the X10 support is preliminary, this is a very good outcome. It remains to be seen if some clever can be done by using the S and R pixel so deliver higher native resolution using a clever algorithm.
Regards,
Roland0 -
Hello All,
For the past couple of weeks I have been on an ardent search to find the best raw converter out there for Fuji X10 files. So far, I've tried: Raw Developer (Mac only), Silkypix (both the Raw File Converter EX by Silkypix and the latest version of Silkypix Developer Studio Pro 5), Raw Photo Processor, ACR/LR, and Capture One PRO.
After reading posts on various forums regarding converting of these raw files, I am convinced that any raw developer currently available that generates a 12MB output file is doing this through interpolation. And, scrutinizing of difficult image areas like clear blue sky will clearly reveal artifacts and other anomalies inherent in the up-scale process. I have many test prints of the same image from all these different converters and, to date, Capture One is leading the pack in overall quality! I have also, based on reading these forums, tested a scale of 200% on output from C1 to match the "native" image size and I am very pleased with the results.
Therefore, this post is somewhat of a plea to Phase One software developers... I know that the current 6.3.3 release is providing only preliminary support for the X10 and that you may be working on providing full resolution (12MB) eventually, but PLEASE DON'T RUIN THE FILE QUALITY THAT I'M SEEING NOW SIMPLY TO HIT FULL RESOLUTION FILE SIZE! If full resolution means that I have to sacrifice image quality vs half-resolution, I'll take half any day!! 😊
Regards,
AlanH0 -
[quote="Alan10" wrote:
Therefore, this post is somewhat of a plea to Phase One software developers... I know that the current 6.3.3 release is providing only preliminary support for the X10 and that you may be working on providing full resolution (12MB) eventually, but PLEASE DON'T RUIN THE FILE QUALITY THAT I'M SEEING NOW SIMPLY TO HIT FULL RESOLUTION FILE SIZE! If full resolution means that I have to sacrifice image quality vs half-resolution, I'll take half any day!! 😊
I don't believe there is any plan to change the default scale of this cameras RAW files from 100% to 200% simply to hit the 12mp mark set by Fuji. We have not done this with the S3 which had the same "problem" so I do not think we will do so with the X10. It's an unfortunate bit of confusion based on the advertised resolution and the real resolution but as long as we can provided a quality final image, I don't see why we would tinker with the formula 😄0 -
I really like the X10 rendering from 6.3.3, but found a few issues:
1) RAF preview render times are incredibly slow on my quad core Win 7 - 64bit PC
2) Some RAF files render underexposed (1.5 to 2 stops) even though the paired jpeg is correct
3) Zooming in and out (100%) renders some RAF at different sizes e.g. 200% when its meant to be 100%
4) Some RAF files have significant magenta colour shifts
Not sure what's causing these but it could be related to using different in camera colour modes e.g. Astia, Provia, Velvia etc.0 -
[quote="NN8893232" wrote:
I really like the X10 rendering from 6.3.3, but found a few issues:
1) RAF preview render times are incredibly slow on my quad core Win 7 - 64bit PC
2) Some RAF files render underexposed (1.5 to 2 stops) even though the paired jpeg is correct
3) Zooming in and out (100%) renders some RAF at different sizes e.g. 200% when its meant to be 100%
4) Some RAF files have significant magenta colour shifts
Not sure what's causing these but it could be related to using different in camera colour modes e.g. Astia, Provia, Velvia etc.
Hi John, I think you're experience is worthwhile for Phase One to evaluate the preliminary support for the X10. You could do yourself and the X10 community a favor and create a support case. Upload the RAF files with your findings in the case.0 -
Already raised support case, PO has responded with "In regards to the X10, the support is still in the preliminary state, please allow for full support to be implemented."
I've also raised a support ticket for a 6.3.3 (win 7 64bit) bug which sees C1 continuing to cycle through auto loading metadata and generating proxies. I have left C1 running for 4 hours and it just continues to cycle in a never ending loop.0 -
"I've also raised a support ticket for a 6.3.3 (win 7 64bit) bug which sees C1 continuing to cycle through auto loading metadata and generating proxies. I have left C1 running for 4 hours and it just continues to cycle in a never ending loop."
I was having the same problem and went back to 6.3.2. Support case 98804 - although I had them close the case thinking that the problem was mine. Went into an infinite loop. For a test, I created a directory of only 5 images - same problems encountered.
Bill0 -
[quote="Drew" wrote:
Unfortunately it would seem that the X10 is the same sensor type as the S3 camera.
The S3 is a bit confusing as it claims to be a 12mp Camera but containins "S-pixel: 6.17 million, R-pixel: 6.17 million" and only one array of pixels is recognized. From our experience with the S3 in the past, the Fuji software scales the 6mp RAW file to be a 12mp image. This can be done in Capture One by scaling at 200%.
I'm not sure that this is true for the X10, from my observations using LR/ACR there are clear resolution gains when shooting at 12MP. The files do not look to be upscaled. I have tried to upscale 6MP images using a number of different products (CS, Fractal, CO and others) and none yeild the inherent detail of the native 12MP file.
Furthermore, if the X10 is used in DR modes, two image components are captured within one file using different ISO/time based exposures for each. Unfortunately, I have not seen any RAW converter that make use of these two components. As I stated in my previous post, the underexposed bug in the preliminary X10 support probably eminates from CO reading only one component from the RAF.
I guess whether we get true X10 support will depend on a) whether Fuji release there specs and b) development cost/time.0 -
The new C1 (6.3.4) does not fix the mentioned bugs.
Fuji sold 120.000 units of this camera in 2011 (Nov & Dec) and I`m pretty sure a bunch of them went to pro photographers.
So its remarkable and a shame that PhaseOne and others aren`t able to support this treasure in an adequate manner til now. ☹️0 -
[quote="Volker12" wrote:
The new C1 (6.3.4) does not fix the mentioned bugs.
With such a statement it would make sense to mention the issues themselves. In this thread several issues are discussed.0 -
According to the release notes X10 support is still preliminary (no update), hence the very slow rendering times, wrong rendering exposures (compared to jpeg), incorrect zoom, incorrect images size and lots of system freezes.
It is indeed a shame that P1 couldn't have addressed some of these issues given the that they'll no doubt add support for cameras that aren't even available yet! Alas, LR4 to the rescue!0 -
[quote="NN8893232" wrote:
... given the that they'll no doubt add support for cameras that aren't even available yet!
Can you clarify that statement or is it just a wild guess on your behalf?0 -
[quote="Paul_E" wrote:
[quote="Volker12" wrote:
The new C1 (6.3.4) does not fix the mentioned bugs.
With such a statement it would make sense to mention the issues themselves. In this thread several issues are discussed.
Sorry Paul, neither makes it sense to discuss the issues mentioned before nor the ones not mentioned yet until the X10 support has left this poor preliminary status; I guess the C1 developers would agree to that.
Thats the concrete point: 4 months after release this camera is not supported adequately!
Wild guessing on my behalf:
This will never ever happen when Fuji releases its Xpro1;
C1 will support the Xpro1 functionality to 99% within the first week of sale.
And thats what we pros expect!
(for our family-foto-gadgets too)0 -
IIRC the X10 has a 12 meg photosite chip arranged as 2 x 6meg photosite 'chips' half a pixel apart.
The raw file is 2x 6 meg images and if the DR option is used then they are at different exposures,,,use dcraw to extract all and do not scale the images... so interesting as to how CO would handle that.
If both images are at the same exposure then an interpolation method such 'drizzle' can combine them into a 12 meg image...
But eventually CO is going to have to handle Fuji raw files more fully otherwise there will be a market segment they are not reaching...even if the other raw developers do so...poorly
Chris0 -
Apparently this File format is still not being handled the way X10 users would expect it.. V22 still has only half Resolution as final image.
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