Healing Mask to Operate Similarly to Magic Brush
What problem do you see this solving?
Allow the Healing Mask to function similarly to Magic Brush in the way it follows the contours of the subject thereby eliminating the removal of the area surrounding the subject. This could minimize the amount of layers and corrections used on one subject. Add to the Heal Brush menu Refine Edge.
When was the last time this lack of functionality affected me?
Yesterday and today, August 4 and August 5, 2023, while attempting to remove people and objects from different scenes. I used the Healing Mask multiple times on one subject and the corrections, being so close together, created a mess. I tried multiple Healing Layers, different brush sizes and enlarging the image to no avail. One subject was laying on the grass in a botanic garden and she was surrounded by grass, trees with leaves and bushes. When the subject was removed, the corrections left behind a mottled effect. One could see that area of the image just didn't look right. The subject area was approximately an inch in length. Ultimately, I discarded the image. There were other images that had objects that I wanted to remove like trash cans and other large objects.
There were exceptions where I was successful and the image correction looked great. The subjects removed were tiny information plaques on trees and small placards in the grass.
Are you using any workarounds or other solutions to achieve your goals in Capture One?
I tried.
Are you happy to be contacted further about this suggestion or request?
Yes, feel free to contact me.
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Thank you John Friend. I'll give it a try.
Tried it! I'm not getting it to work for a full body partially hidden by a tree with leaves between me and the subject. As soon a I activate the healing brush, the magic mask disappears and places me in healing mode.It would be so much simpler if the healing mask worked in the same way that the magic mask does or there can be an option to allow it to work the same way when necessary.
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I don't understand either, John.
mask first in a completely separate operation
So you create an adjustment layer having a mask.
That then allows you to control what pixels are affected by the healing brush and which are not
Using a healing brush will create another layer of the healing type.
But these layers are not connected in any way, the adjustment layer mask will not influence what the healing layer heals.
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@... - it reads to me as if you are suggesting a technique that might work if you were removing something (the rope fence in your example) using a pixel editor app like Photoshop or Affinity Photo. But Capture One isn't one of those.
Ian
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Why not design the healing brush so that it could work in a similar fashion as the magic brush? It could be incorporated as an option.
I tried using magic brush to create a mask as 1 adjustment layer. Then, I used the healing brush and Capture One created a 2nd layer. The mask created by magic brush didn't aid me in anyway once Capture One created the 2nd layer, aka the healing layer.
I submitted my post as a request to add a new option to the healing brush to make it easy to remove obscured objects without producing multiple corrections in a small area, effectively creating a mottling effect.
There have been many changes to Capture One since its inception. With each change or addition, Capture One has become the excellent tool that is today. Why stop there? Why not add more functionality to make it even better?
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Why not design the healing brush so that it could work in a similar fashion as the magic brush? It could be incorporated as an option.
Absolutely.
Other users are often trying to help with explaining workarounds, nothing wrong with that imo. There is no workaround in this case though.
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If one has to attempt a workaround, then the application is lacking in that area. Capture One has a major competitor, Adobe. If Capture One is lacking and Adobe ups its game, Capture One could lose subscribers to its competitor. For that reason, it's in Capture One's best interest to, routinely, add new features.
The moderator, Ian Wilson, mentioned Capture One doesn't perform pixel editing, with reference to John Friend's post. The healing mask attempts pixel editing, in my opinion, when part of an image is removed and the application attempts to cure this missing data by replacing it with a copy of something near the correction site. Isn't noise reduction pixel editing?
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David,
If one has to attempt a workaround, then the application is lacking in that area. Capture One has a major competitor, Adobe. If Capture One is lacking and Adobe ups its game, Capture One could lose subscribers to its competitor.
Generalizations are seldom true. And probably don't help much in supporting your request.
People discuss here and/or give hints which can be helpful (or not) for the person who was requesting a feature.
The discussions can (or not) also be helpful for the product team to either better understand the request and/or to give the 'right' priority (in their books).
The assessment of workarounds (provided by the requester but also from others) not only helps to understand the effort for the user (which can influence the priority) but also can help to actually understand the request in the first place. There is even a special section in the request form for this.
We are all users here in this thread, this is mostly the case, even moderators (at least) Ian might not be related to the Capture One company, and there is a big chance that even staff eventually replying here have ususally no say for this feature request, so there will not be a discussion with real deciders here, most of the time.
So, no worries, enjoy the discussion around your request (which also helps to keep it high in the forum order, so more people may up- (or down-) vote your request, and maybe other opinions and descriptions of workarounds can help you to work better until the feature is (maybe) being implemented.
And the classification of software as "pixel editors" is probably nothing worth discussing. Ian was just mentioning that the technique described by John is not working in C1 but maybe in a typical "pixel editor" like Photoshop, he was not objecting that your feature request would eventually be implemented in C1, despite not having its roots in pixel editing.
Cheers,
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John,
When you say you used a mask on the healing layer to correct the unwanted healing do you mean you used the eraser brush to fine-tune the healing mask?
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@... - now I understand what you say you did, and yes I frequently do that too. I thought you were referring to the technique you can use in Photoshop or Affinity Photo where you make a selection before using the healing or cloning tool, so that it can only work on the selected area.
Ian
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Thank you Ian and BeO for your response. I stand corrected and myself reprove. Ian, I didn't think you were arguing against my request. I knew you were only replying to John Friend's writing. Yes, BeO, my generalization is unnecessary and it takes away from the useful techniques that John, Ian, you and other users bring forth to this forum. Yes, I'll do as you suggest, sit back and enjoy the ride.
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:-)
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