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Drag&Drop files from Explorer or DAM onto a session album no longer works in v23?

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    Hi SFA, SFA,

    I see you've done a drag&drop test in another thread, could you do me favor and test this here too?

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  • Jack W
    Admin

    I wasn't aware of many (if any) drag and drop functions working on Windows, so it's a surprise to me that this worked in the first place. I'm also very interested in the findings here.

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    Hi Jack-W,

    There are indeed not many drag&drop functions on Windows, but this one is actually an important one, as it allows users to use an external catalog system but still use C1 as the raw developer which can easily and efficiently be invoked by just dropping images to a session album. Even if the images are spread out over several directories.

    That makes this a very valuable function because you can search in that catalog and work on images for a project (e.g. photobook or exhibition) across your whole image universe very comfortably.

    There are many reasons 1) to use C1 as a raw developer and 2) to use a different catalog system than C1 e.g. when having troubles or performance issues with huge catalogs or important functions are missing like video support etc.

    Cheers,
    BeO

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  • Jack W
    Admin

    BeO

    If this functionality worked for you in the past and no longer works, then I'd consider it a straight-up bug. Please report it to us using the bug report form.

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    Thanks Jack

    Yes it did. I reported it.

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    SFA wrote (elsewhere):

    Hi BeO,

    Have made a very quick test. Out for the day now.

    I was not aware that one could drag and drop successfully into a session album so an interesting test.

    Did not work.  However, it did not actually fail either, at least it did not crash.

    Actually, I can't think of a way that it could work unless the source folder was already known to C1.  It would need to be the entire folder known, not just the image(s) selected. Or so I would think.

    The test session I used was originally pointing to images in a folder that was not a "favourite" and, having tried the test, those images did not re-appear until I navigated back to the folder or, to make it permanent made the folder a "Favourite".

    I would imagine a catalog might be a different result.

    I'll do some more testing later.

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    Thanks SFA.

    Yes, it does not crash. Also, the mouse pointer indicates that this is an allowed action. It fully worked up until 15.2. (and maybe in a few higher builds).

    It still works if you drag from an open catalog. I guess the change in v23 that single variants can be dropped to albumns causes the issue that it doesn't work anymore outside the C1 applications. My expectation would be that all variants would show up in that album, because outside applications like Explorer don't know about variants. Also, it is easier to remove variants if one likes to do so than to add them.

    Actually, I can't think of a way that it could work unless the source folder was already known to C1.  It would need to be the entire folder known, not just the image(s) selected. Or so I would think.

    No, the beauty is that the session can be any arbitrary session with no knowledge about any image or folder whatsoever. By dropping a set of images a list of paths is transferred to the session and these paths/references stored in the album, across any directory or even drive.

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  • SFA
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    After further testing ...

    A can see the functionality you have described using V20 with Win10.

    For V23 a "Copy" to, say, the Capture folder works and a question about whether one wants to copy the file is presented. But any "connection" to a virtual folder goes through the motions but does not ask the question about copying (nor dies V20), nor include the image anywhere.

    (As a side observation I noted that I was able to include the same file twice in the Session using V20, once ias a link in a session folder to the original location and once as the "Copied" file in the Capture folder. That could become quite confusing when viewing All Images!).

     

    I have no idea whether Win 11 would support the drag and drop as expected. Currently I'm not very keen to try the Win11 upgrade as I am not sure what might stop working on my existing main machine.

    I hope this helps in some way.

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    Hi SFA,

    Thank you.

    To summarize,

    Drag&drop from Explorer to a user created album works in v20 (your test) and v22 (my test) but it does work not in v23 (tested by both of us) on Win 10.

    Thank you, that's what I wanted to know (this bug in v23 does not only occur on my machine).

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    Copy and move to session folders works in v20,v22 and v23 on Win 10. (drag&drop with or without CTRL key)

    Good to know but please note, the intended usage is to use a "dummy" session with only album(s), holding links to the dragdropped images to their original location, which is in either one or several folders on your drive, and maybe the usage of system folders ("Show in library"). None of the four session folders involved.

    For a limited amount of days (until all edits are done). Album(s) will be deleted afterwards from that dummy session, or even the session will be deleted. Edits are stored in their original location .cos files (so it would reflect in the regular sessions, if you still have them, because they read the exact same .cos files). Maybe usage of All Images collection, if several albums are used in the dummy session. No session folders involved, no copy or move of images either, just links.

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    I don't understand one sentence, "I was able to include the ... file... as a link in a session folder to the original location". Session folders are Capture, Selects, Output and Trash, but they represent physical folders and cannot have any link/reference. Maybe a wrong observation or you mean "session album"?

    Cheers
    BeO

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    I edited my previous post so it differs in one important point from what is maybe in your mail inbox

    EDIT:

    correct:

    Copy and move to session folders works in v20,v22 and v23 on Win 10. (drag&drop with or without CTRL key)

    wrong:

    Copy and move to session albums works in v20,v22 and v23 on Win 10. (drag&drop with or without CTRL key)

     

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  • Wolfgang Krämer

    It is possible to work with a session that does not contain physical files of images. It only contains references to the images, which can be stored in different sessions. The advantage is that you have simultaneous access to edit images from different sessions. Changes to images are transferred to the original sessions, as the *.cos and *.comask files stored there are changed.

    Procedure:
    1. create a new "dummy" session and open it. 
    2. Drag and drop the desired image files into the session VIEWER
    3. Capture One then automatically creates a new album containing the images.

    Steps 2. and 3. must be repeated for each selection of images from an original session.

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    Wolfgang, Thanks.

    You could drag from Explorer, probably from Finder, from a C1 catalog, and from many DAM /  image catalog applications to the running session. This does not work with v23 anymore, with the Windows version.

    Step 2 was a little different with the Windows version (until v22), you need to drop it on an already existing album or inbetween existing albums in the "Session Albums" panel, it then created a new album with links to these images.

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  • SFA
    Top Commenter

    @BeO,

     

    "I don't understand one sentence, "I was able to include the ... file... as a link in a session folder to the original location". Session folders are Capture, Selects, Output and Trash, but they represent physical folders and cannot have any link/reference. Maybe a wrong observation or you mean "session album"?"

    This relates to changing the folder to which the current "Capture" or "Selects", etc., "Link" is allocated. In other words some other folder than the default Session folder structure folders is in use. 

    It's not really relevant to your specific need since the result is still a copied file to a folder rather than an album insertion of some type leaving the image where it was.

    However, in terms of completeness of testing of "expected"(?) functionality  - i.e. the Copy-a-file based activity being consistent -  it does seem to be consistent. The specific named folder in which the image will appear can be specified by a link.

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    Aah, got you, thanks.

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    I just received a message from support that not many users have reported that drag&drop from an external application to a C1 session in the Windows version is dead. Although it is a regression defect it won't be prioritized. 

    If any of you are concerned please report a bug via
    https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

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  • Thomas Kyhn
    Top Commenter

    This sounds all too familiar. If something is broken it will only be fixed if a sufficient number of people complain about it.

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