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Allow me to zoom the image in the Viewer window more easily

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  • Brian Jordan
    Moderator

    Option/Space (maybe Control/Space) should get you there. Don’t remember the exact key combo. Muscle memory, not memory memory. Works a champ. Or change your pointer using the top center toolbar shortcuts. Select the magnifier instead of the arrow. Does this not get you what you need?

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  • Ian Wilson
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    I don't see any need to use the mouse to accomplish this. I can't remember whether my keyboard shortcuts for this are the defaults, and I don't usually have he browser visible (at the side or the bottom) when I am using the Viewer, but if I do have it showing I can

    • hit . (period) to zoom the current image to 100%
    • hit Cmd-0 to go back to zoom-to-fit
    • hit Cmd-arrow key to move on to the next image.

    No mousing involved.

    Ian

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  • Joseph Holmes

    I'm using two monitors, the left containing my current import, the right displaying each image full screen.

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  • Brian Jordan
    Moderator

    Joseph, current import as in the window you see when you click Import or a group of images that you have imported and are not looking at as a discreet group of photos?

     

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  • Joseph Holmes

    Oh, the second. After importing, the images that fill the Browser window when I select the most recent date in the list of Recent Import. 

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  • JoJu

    I'm also using two screens, browser left, editor right. I was just searching in the list of shortcuts. No ⌥▭ (didn't find a better icon for space bar) visible also no text for loupe and the shortcut for loupe is P. ⌥▭ is working as long as the cursor in the browser already is on the right spot of an image in question and in this image also on the critical focus point.

    Interestingly, a search in C1's help pages came up with this article from Lily after I searched for "option space", but without Brian Jordan mentioning this else not to find key combo. In the linked article it's only mentioned that one could alter the size of the loupe.

    To change the size of the Loupe, select the Loupe Size and then select from one of three settings (Small, Medium or Large) or hold the Option/Alt+Space keys (Mac/Windows) while scrolling to change the size of the Loupe.   

    But that's questionable as in "not working here".

    Ian Wilson says "No mousing involved." So you have a 60 MP screen to look at 100%? ;) Good lord... Seriously, "heavy mousing" is involved as soon as I want to check for corner sharpness and in the next image  the same in the other corner. C1 keeps the editor window at 100% until I go back to fit screen, but it also keeps the displayed part of the image identical for all images as long as I don't use the space bar and mouse to pan somewhere else.

     

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  • Ian Wilson
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    Top Commenter

    JoJu - you misunderstood me, I think.

    I meant that I didn't see the need to use the mouse to be able to zoom in and out, as its appears Joseph Holmes was suggesting. (Though I had not known at that stage that he was using a dual-monitor arrangement.)

    Of course mousing is involved in panning around.

    Ian

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  • Joseph Holmes

    Ian Wilson says "No mousing involved." So you have a 60 MP screen to look at 100%? ;) Good lord... 

    In my case, all I want (for my 47MP images) is a quick look to compare several nearly identical images as I quickly browse and rate, setting up which images I'll look at more deeply and which can be deleted immediately. And everything in between.

    If I've been photographing birds, for example, I may come home with more than 500 images, some of them series shot at 20fps or higher. Thus quickly marking and ranking is an absolute top priority.

    Mousing over to the other screen and inspecting corner focus is a task that has to wait until I've whittled the import down to a reasonable 30 or 50 images.

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    In Windows you have Alt+Tab to switch between C1 main window (browser) and the separate Viewer window. Then perid comma as suggested, no mouse involved.

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    Joseph Holmes, do you have concrete suggestions?

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  • Joseph Holmes

    Command-~ does the same on the Mac.

    And yet...

    Aperture was the model for this kind of thing. With the exact same arrangement of Browser and Viewer windows on two monitors, I would star-rate images in the Browser and simply hit a single key to toggle the view to 100% and back to Fit in the Viewer window. So fast, intuitive, and a perfectly fit for a quick session of reviewing, rating, deleting images.

    It would great if C1 would implement that kind of simplicity.

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  • JoJu

    Aperture is still on my old iMac, bug I never ran it with two screens. So I can't imagine the difference of

    1. enlarge the vies of the thumbnails in the browser to max (18 images on a 27" Mac 5K display)
    2. selecting an image, culling through the others with cursor keys, rating or just hit - for the delete candidates. And the image is always to be seen in the viewer.
    3. to enlarge images to 100% and go back to fit screen is just 2 shortcuts

    I'm sorry, I can't see the big advantage of Aperture here although there are many, compared to C1's approach of a DAM.

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    I would star-rate images in the Browser and simply hit a single key to toggle the view to 100% and back to Fit in the Viewer window

    Consider adding this to the request for clarity.

    The proposed one-key hit in the browser (or everywhere in C1) to zoom in the viewer is certainly an improvemement but only viable if your image subject is in the center.

    As a workaround, or even as a method for all image types regardless where the focus point is, you could cull and zoom/view on a single monitor using the G key (or with the equivalent on Mac) to toogle browser vs. viewer in place.
    Or use the (very good imo) single or multi-view mode of the viewer together with the "select next when" functionality and Next Set, Previous Set (see menu "Select"), using the mouse (hand) for zooming and panning, together with shift in the multi-mode. This all may not be your preferred Aperture method but I think equally fast if you master it.

    The request makes sense nonetheless, but it would be the first key in C1 which works across windows, so fingers crossed that C1 team would implement it.

     

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  • JoJu

    Joseph Holmes

    are you aware of the rather new feature "image rating"?

    I'm not completely happy with it, on a double screen setup it's always stretching over both screens and the browser sits on the right side. There are a couple of limitations, but this feature is able to collect groups (I was thinking of your bird series)

    The horizontal film strip gives you an overview of the group, the right hand side browser gives an overview of the automatically found groups. Toggling 100% to fit needs two shortcuts instead one single key, but better than "travelling around the world in one day" with the mouse. 

    I don not understand why the devs haven't made the window aware of it's last size and open with that configuration (and if they ever tried to work on an image split over two screens with 60% white area on each side), so every time you declare you're ratings as "Ready" or "Finished" (dunno the current translation) and start with a new rating process, you'll have to alter the size again.

    That's one of the reasons I don't use this view, but I'm not often coming home with hundreds of similar images. And if so, I usually forget this feature, just because it's not "ready to use" but needs adjustment of its size always first. To me, wasted work-time. With little effort it could be improved to become useful.

    Side note to Aperture: In Aperture I can make the focus points visible and check the "focus point in charge" for the given image. I can't remember precisely if Aperture then uses the focus point to center or at least include it in the 100% view?

     

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  • Joseph Holmes

    I'm unaware of that feature, but I sure want to try it out. It might be great for my purposes.

    Re: Aperture's zoom to the focus point -- that would be terrific in C1. Yet another Aperture superior feature that I miss...

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  • JoJu

    I can't remember precisely if Aperture then uses the focus point to center or at least include it in the 100% view?

    I just checked. Not working the way I was hoping, but in Aperture is a small navigation window (more a tiny thumbnail) and I can move the 100% view quickly to the focus point. Now I need to stop playing around in Aperture else I get homesick. Phew.

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  • Joseph Holmes

    Now I need to stop playing around in Aperture else I get homesick. Phew.

    I know how you feel...
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  • JoJu

    It's not that the grass is greener on the other side. It's only green, but this side (at least in terms of image organisation) is flat-out brown, like rather dead leaves.

    I would not call myself a very experienced Aperture user and in the beginning I had some troubles to understand the database handling because coming from Windows to Mac it took me a while to understand how easy and simple to use a PC can be. Same with Aperture. Often I thought overly complicated. After working through the book of Mr. Scoppetuolo about Aperture 3 everything became a lot easier. And still is easier than C1's poor concept of DAM.

    And I'm still a bit proud of having been able to get the colored icons back. Apple's decision to move away from a colour scheme to grey in grey - I hated it. So I modified the icons and my smart albums were purple again, clearly different from blue albums and yellow projects. Didn't understand the reasoning "to make it look more pro". 

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    C1 has a navigation window too, it does not show the focus point but good for navigation in 100% view.

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  • JoJu

    I know the "navigation window" of C1.

    Apterure devs were rather clever: The little black thumbnail can be moved everywhere in the editor window. Mouseover and I see a rather usable view, grab the rectangle and move it to the part of the image I like to see. Zoom can be anything between 25% and 1000%, literally in increasing increments. The smaller the enlargement, the smaller the steps.

    Capture One: Whereever I move the navigator to, it's in the way, doesn't minimize automatically, zoom is 100%, 200%, 400% and everything needs one or two clicks more. And it can't do anything I could not do with the magic mouse, once I'm at my magnification factor.

    Plus, it's a rather mindless waste of space - the red areas are never used, so why do they need to cover chunks of my image with no benefit? I'd be ok with a squarish window (green frame). But why are portrait oriented images not as high as the landscape oriented ones are wide? What's the point behind that? The whole frame has always a fixed proportion. I cannot scale it bigger, I cannot alter the proportion - for portrait orientation it's far less precise than for landscape. "copied and worsened", I'd say.

     

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    If you use the navigator in the toolbar, or two monitors, much of the shortcomings you mentioned are not as bad as you make it here.

    I don't know Aperture, are these distracting rectangles from a screenshot or do you try to illustrate something? Can you move the navigator out of the picture area like a floating window in C1? 

    But you have good points, why not create a change request, e.g. auto-resize for the portrait orientation or improving the bad manual resizing...

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  • JoJu

    Hmm, that's a point of view, I believe. I'm only make them "as bad" as they are to me, comparing one way of working to the other. And as I said, the navigator (in C1) doesn't have a real advantage over "panning with a magic mouse" (which is kind of a mobile trackpad on a Mac and a bit confusing in the beginning). I don't think that any full time Windows user could navigate with it "just like that". But it helps.

    The rectangles are the possible focus points, the red one was the active one at the time of the shot. Also, different cameras were shown with different focus points. D7000, D8xx had this big rectangles (and these are in their OVF also rather big places) while a D5xxx has really tiny ones - good to get a better focus in wide angle shots with plenty of stuff at various distances.

    I once was told, the different sizes were only symbolic and wouldn't have to do anything with the "true size" of the focus modules. But that was a Pentax user defending his holy camera choice and either using C1 or LR, but generally hating Aperture. At the end, no Aperture dev and not knowing. To me, the size of this focus rectangles also gave me sometimes an explanation why focus was off as an obstacle was partly in that frame. But as it is with indirect AF systems, between "pushing the button" and "all gates are open to expose an image" can happen a lot.

    I was just too lazy to switch them off for this screenshot. And I learnt a bit about autofocusing, back- or frontfocus with them. I mean, the camera already provides them in it's EXIF, so why not using them to check?

    The navigation-field only pops up if there's something to navigate: in all zoom ratios bigger than "fit". It is not a floating window, at least I could not float it or find a shortcut to do so. But when am I at 100%? When I need to work precisely on a spot of the image, meaning I already don't see the full image. It never disturbed me sitting on the right side of the edit window.

    Feature requests for C1? You have no idea how many hours I already spend with making screen shots, screen videos and suggesting some of the features of Aperture to make life a bit easier. I suspect, whenever C1 is confronted with Aperture functions, gates are closing faster than a preview is made. I'm sick of it, because new suggestions are rarely ever bundled and even rarer become real, they just disappear into black darkness of this "keep the unhappy users out of sight" area. Remember, the standard sorting order here is "votes". And some of the high voted "requests" are between 3 months and 4 years old. C1 users (in my eyes) are accustomed to more complicated ways of working, how it could be easier is often beyond their imagination. For Aperture devs life was easy: No one had ever to consider "but it also has to work on windows" - with that requirement in the specs, Aperture would possibly have been a pretty poor project.

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    I sometimes open an image in Nikon NX Studio for the used focus point.

    Aperture is still working on your machine, but not on newer OSs?

     

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  • JoJu

    Aperture is working on my iMac from 2010. With the latest system Aperture and iTunes are working with. There were big changes in Apples "media paradigm" after Apple declared Aperture dead and replaced it by a crappy app which is neither iPhotos nor Aperture, just worse in everything than both of the old apps.

    Oh, and as personal note: it took me around 4-5 years to accept there's nothing on the market like Aperture was. I was very close to giving up photography because of that fact. Talking about that events still makes me sad. I can understand that no company want to take the effort to develop features "normal for Aperture" as no company except Adobe has the manpower to get that done. With the possible outcome that users comment like "oh, now they made an Aperture clone. Just not as good...." 

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  • Ian Wilson
    Moderator
    Top Commenter

    JoJu - forgive me if I'm misunderstanding something, but

    1. I don't understand what the red areas are in your screenshot.
    2. Do you actually need to pull out a floating navigator tool as It appears you have done? If I am zoomed in more than zoom-to-fit, I can just right click on the image and get a floating navigator, which goes way automatically if I move the cursor elsewhere in the image.

    3. and on a portrait oriented image it shows a portrait oriented floating window.

    Ian

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  • JoJu

    Ian Wilson

    The red areas are an overlay I painted into the screenshot to show the not used space of the navigator window. It's not entirely correct, the areas become smaller than shown in a landscape oriented shot, but still roughly 1 cm left and right is wasted.

    Mine doesn't look or act like yours (Windows/Mac issue?): I have to activate it manually. To collapse it, I need to click on the ∨ left of "Navigator", after that it becomes a small stripe but remains in place.

    The window types in your screenhsot are much better than this navigator thing, hence I never saw it in Capture One. That bit with "right click on the image" I sometimes used to get a context menu, but at the moment I can't recall that this opened an overview. But I also cannot say for sure if I ever right clicked in an image I zoomed in.

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  • Ian Wilson
    Moderator
    Top Commenter

    I think the right click on the image only works if you are in the hand tool (which I am by default). Also I have a vague idea (maybe mistaken) that on Windows you can use the space bar to activate it?

    Ian

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  • JoJu

    Thank you, I'll give it at try when I'm back home.

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  • JoJu

    I gave it a try.

    Another example of unfinished thinking of C1 devs, sorry to judge it that way. Why?

    From left to right: monitor 1 [browser, scrollbar at the right border of the monitor screen] > monitor 2 [editor left, tool tabs right side].

    Zoom in to 100%, "hand"-tool is active. Right click on the right side of the image in editor on monitor 2. Navigation window is shown on monitor 1, right side of the browser. Whhuuut? ½ meter mouse way and back because the devs wanted the nav window outside of the editor? As soon as the mouse pointer leaves the window, it closes again. Although it's already not hiding any image part. Phew.

    Ian, are you also stopping your car, exit and go to the trunk to check the nav? And if you're walking away because the note with the address is still in front of the wheel, the trunk closes automatically?

    Only a rhetoric question because of all behaviours C1 devs very often hit the most unpleasant, unusual "solution". Of course, only in my experience. And nothing really bad – as I already said, I'm faster by panning on the surface of my Apple mouse. That nav window is something I didn't know, thanks for pointing it out, but I will forget it rather quick.

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    Can you submit a bug report?

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