clone mask doesn't copy the source color but bring another color
Hello there,
I clone a zone and the target zone doenst have at all the sources color! (see top left zone) (I made it on purpose that you can read the clone brush preferences)
example attached.
I have the latest version of C1 (v16.3.2.32)
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First thing: if you have 16.3, why did you post in the section used for discussion of 15.x version - over a year older and currently not maintained?
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(1) nothing was attached. Did you mean to insert a screenshot?
(2) as Marcin Mrzygłocki points out you say you have version 16.3 but you have posted in the version 22 section of the forum. I will move this to the right section.
Ian
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oups sorry for posting in the wrong section. Thanks Ian. here is the screen shot.
the cloned part is top left.
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...and Yes the source zone was taken from just below the blue square... so you notice that the color we finally have is not what we want!
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here is another photo removing the setting of the clone where you clearly see where is the source and that the source color is NOT duplicated.
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Both Opacity and Flow are less than 100, so unless you brushed so hard that the mask is at 100 anyway, effect of the clone is supposed to be a mix of source and "original" (that is, whatever is underneath), so obviously colours are going to be different from both ingredients in the mix.
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Thanks Marcin,
As I did say (I tried 100% and less but passing 5 / 6 times..). nothing does.and I should add that I usually use the clone tool very much often (when it works), so I know how to use it.
But if clone is a mix of Source and original its not the best tool for what I want to achieve: what tool shall I use to duplicate the source color (in order to fake that black wall is ending but revealing it going much higher?)
thanks.
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In Capture One it is only possible to duplicate whole parts of image, you can't copy just luminosity/color alone, there is no logic allowing for such pixel-like "hair splitting". My choice would be to do an opaque copy for the most part and smoothen its borders with gradients to make the edit less obvious.
(And I hope translation did not mix between Heal and Clone - Heal by definition takes background into consideration, so at least its brightness adapts to the context.)
Another thing - are you sure you had BOTH Opacity and Flow at 100? Google tells me Flow makes a difference between single stroke and multiple strokes when trying to achieve target opacity, so it does affect if you did not brush the mask repeatedly until there was no change to how the layer looked like: https://www.captureone.com/blog/importance-flow-control
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You can also show the actual mask, at best mask alone: Mask Visibility Settings -> Display Grayscale Mask.
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..just to make sure I understood.
The image you see hasn't been added any luminosity. (the filter I used during the shooting made that effect).
So I do not want to 'hair split' anything , but just the regular use of replacement/ duplication of a zone to another place.
cheers.
PS: if you want - for test use- I could send you the raw file for you to just test that the basic use of Clone doenst work as in other situations...
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Do you have any layer modifications already visible at the source selection
In other words - are there any other layers on that image and how do their masks look?
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When opacity is set to less than 100, then that number is the MAX opacity regardless of how many passes you make with the clone brush. If you set it to 80%, then the clone will never exceed 80% opaqueness even if you pass over it 1000 times.
Cloning and Healing always source the Image layer.
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Hello SFA,
thanks for caring.
I do have a little layer (applied 20%) that doesn't change really much the look at all. As I previously say I would be Ok to send you the RAW per email for you to try to duplicate the end of the wall much higher (tilll the top of the frame).
I am not sure what's a screen grab, but once again another screenshot attached.
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I do have a little layer (applied 20%)
I sniff trouble with it - what adjustments does it hold? On what mask? Does the look change if you were to change the order of layers?
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A few thoughts.
(1) If your clone source is where you have shown it in your latest screenshot, are you then brushing from the top or from the bottom? If it's from the bottom, the clone source and target are overlapping.
(2) I think that there is limited usefulness in using less than 100% flow and opacity with the clone tool - either you want a one-to-one copy of pixels from one part of the image to another, or you don't.
Edited to add
(3) It's not clear to me what was in the top left corner of the shot that you were trying to remove - is it a suitable job for the clone tool?
Ian
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I can tell that sometimes I'm healing skin with low-opacity masks to smoothen uneven areas - clone is only different in how it does not adjust its brightness or something.
Target is ALWAYS that first click/press, so if the goal was to hide the part above the wall, it is reasonable to ask, why is source right at the border of that wall? Again, asking for the mask and/or the original image to understand, what was actually changed.
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I can certainly see the case for using the healing tool with less than 100% capacity. For the clone tool, though, i would think that it would be mostly if you wanted to produce some kind of special effect.
Ian
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thanks for all comments but it does not seem to help me to prolong that wall up. I've been doing this many times for example on a wall of bricks or whatever and it worked like a charm, I think here the issue is the 'haze' from the effect during shooting that loses the software. (so I live it to the techs guys if they want to work in that direction for the algorithms).
@Marcin I don't understand your last paragraph.
Once again it would be my pleasure to send that raw pic so you could forward it to the techs guys to work on this problematic for future sake?
Send me a blank email at firstnamelastname@gmail.com (fill the right name ;) )
thanks again.
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You can email me a link to download the raw to walter@walterrowe.com
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