Yet again ... Catalogues and sessions
Sorry but I have watched hours of videos but still cannot get my head around what is the best thing for me to do.
I mostly shoot sport, football (soccer), rugby, hockey and cricket etc.
Let me use football as an example.. I will shoot say ten matches of one team this season, ten of another team plus other assorted teams on a Sunday morning.
Until now I have used sessions for each match but should I use a catalogue with sessions inside?
I have set up a catalogue for Sports/Football but couldn't find out how I could add my existing sessions to it, do I need to add them?
Hopefully I have explained my dilemma, all help gratefully received.
Thanks
Simon.
I mostly shoot sport, football (soccer), rugby, hockey and cricket etc.
Let me use football as an example.. I will shoot say ten matches of one team this season, ten of another team plus other assorted teams on a Sunday morning.
Until now I have used sessions for each match but should I use a catalogue with sessions inside?
I have set up a catalogue for Sports/Football but couldn't find out how I could add my existing sessions to it, do I need to add them?
Hopefully I have explained my dilemma, all help gratefully received.
Thanks
Simon.
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You can't exactly have sessions "inside" a catalog, but you can import the sessions into the catalog. That means that the images and their edits will be imported into the catalog, but if you do that you should realise that any edits you do in the catalog after that won't update the session. The new edits will be stored in the catalog only.
It's easy enough to try this out. Create a new catalog. Then go to File>Import session and import one of your sessions. Then do it again with at least one more. See what the result looks like and whether you like it. Your sessions will be completely unharmed by this process and if you don't like the result, you can just ditch the catalog and carry on using the sessions instead.
There's a description of how to do it here.
https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002523278-Importing-a-Capture-One-Session
(NB: you don't need to do step 1 if you are happy to leave the sessions where they are instead of offloading them to an external drive.)
Ian
Edited to add: note that this leaves the image files in their existing locations. Adding them to the catalog means that the catalog stores information about their edits and adjustments and where the images are stored.0 -
I tried importing sessions but got nowhere, have to look again. It's not crucial I do add them, just trying to tidy up.
The reason I am looking at catalogues is the search function. I am often asked for shots of player 'Fred Smith' say.
How would you personally do it?
I see you are from Bristol, so I'll use names you may know. 😄
I shoot Bournemouth Rugby Club mainly plus Bournemouth Hockey
However, I also shoot Poole Town and Wimborne Town in the Bet Victor League now and again.
What would be a good Catalogue to set up? ... Football/2019-20/Betvictor/ Poole Town and a separate Wimborne
Another for Rugby/2019-20/National League2/ BRFC
Or one titled sports, then divide rugby, hockey and football.
Thanks from confused in Wimborne.com! 😂0 -
So when you say you tried importing sessions and got nowhere, what happened or didn't happen?
I would do what you are suggesting, and a catalog would be a good way of finding all shots of Fred Smith, if you had faithfully keyword the shots. (In my case, I use sessions initially and get their best shots into a catalog later. I want to be able to find nature shots taken at different dates - for example all my shots of a great white egret.)
Yes, in Bristol.
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Probably I would use a comprehensive Sport catalog. I would separate sports and matches through projects and groups (or vice versa). Remember that Projects limit the action of Smart Albums while Groups don't, so I would probably use projects for sports.
Let's say you've got a Project for football. You can create a Group inside that Project for any match if you need to divide the event any further with albums and smart albums (in this case you have to use something, like date or a specific keyword, to exclude images outside that group).
A Smart Album with no filters inside the Project would collect all football images (I mean every picture inside the project) so you could perform a global search to find all the pictures of Mr Smith, or all the pictures of his team or the supporters or what else. The same would apply for Rugby, Hockey and so on.
This is my rough idea. I don't know if it fits you but you can adapt it to your needs for sure.0 -
Perhaps make a very portable reference catalogue by exporting smallish jpgs with embedded search useful metadata and importing the jpgs as managed files into the catalogue.
I doubt you would really need the original file and edits - you can find those easily enough in their session(s) when required based on the info in the jpg.
Grant0 -
Thanks for all your help.
I have imported a session into a catalogue, one ticked off.
However, I use photo Mechanic for IPTC and Metadata. On the imported session, I have put a players name into the headline field and can find it in PM. For some reason you can't 'find' for persons shown.
The next issue is the 'Headline' field is not showing in C1. All the other fields show fine.
Any thoughts please?
thanks
Simon0 -
I think considering your type of photography and management and needs for team names/code replacements/etc -- you'd be better off avoiding Capture One as part of your workflow.
I would tag and bag using EXIF/IPTC with PM and then use OSX/Windows built search utilities to find based on those tags.
If you include Fred Smiths name in your headline, for example;
https://jobdrop.io/s/fZbqwMkEFzdBzBH/preview
By clicking the '+' icon you can find all sorts of Metadata to search by 😊
Unless you need Capture One for also editing/colouring/exporting your images -- I think it does nothing but add complications. Photo Mechanic which you're already using is far, far better.0 -
Rudolphucker wrote:
The next issue is the 'Headline' field is not showing in C1. All the other fields show fine.
Really? My C1 shows the Headline field and a headline entered in Photo Mechanic shows up in C1 just fine after Reload Metadata. I see the field "Headline" in the C1 metadata section "IPTC - Content" followed by fields "Description" and "Category".
Win10, C1 20, PM6.0 -
Rudolphucker wrote:
Thanks for all your help.
I have imported a session into a catalogue, one ticked off.
However, I use photo Mechanic for IPTC and Metadata. On the imported session, I have put a players name into the headline field and can find it in PM. For some reason you can't 'find' for persons shown.
The next issue is the 'Headline' field is not showing in C1. All the other fields show fine.
Any thoughts please?
thanks
Simon
"Content Headline" is an available filter field in C1.
Go to the Filters tool, click the "..." icon at the right of the tool name line and find "Show/Hide Filters..."
That will provide a list of field based filter from the metadata from which you can select or deselect according to preferences and your data content.
You may well already know this but it seemed worthy of a mention.
HTH.
Grant0 -
SFA wrote:
Rudolphucker wrote:
Thanks for all your help.
I have imported a session into a catalogue, one ticked off.
However, I use photo Mechanic for IPTC and Metadata. On the imported session, I have put a players name into the headline field and can find it in PM. For some reason you can't 'find' for persons shown.
The next issue is the 'Headline' field is not showing in C1. All the other fields show fine.
Any thoughts please?
thanks
Simon
"Content Headline" is an available filter field in C1.
Go to the Filters tool, click the "..." icon at the right of the tool name line and find "Show/Hide Filters..."
That will provide a list of field based filter from the metadata from which you can select or deselect according to preferences and your data content.
You may well already know this but it seemed worthy of a mention.
HTH.
Grant
YAY!! Got it Grant, ticked the box and now the players names appear, thanks. 😄
There doesn't seem to be a 'person shown' field in C1, if there was I would use that.
The issue with using PM for finding players, is, as far as I am aware, is you can only search one contact sheet (one match) at a time. What I want to do is be able to search say, a whole season's matches in one hit. If I put the seasons matches into a group or project (yet to fathom, those out!) I can search for one player and get all the shots of him from that season. That is my target.
Thanks again. 😊0 -
Rudolphucker wrote:
...you can only search one contact sheet (one match) at a time.
True, but you can include multiple folders in one PM contact sheet.
If your license is for PM6, you may try the PM Plus (PM with catalog). PM+ is currently in public beta, it is not feature complete nor is it bug free.0 -
OddS wrote:
Rudolphucker wrote:
...you can only search one contact sheet (one match) at a time.
True, but you can include multiple folders in one PM contact sheet.
If your license is for PM6, you may try the PM Plus (PM with catalog). PM+ is currently in public beta, it is not feature complete nor is it bug free.
Thanks, yes I do have PM6. PM is my preferred weapon of choice. Just the idea of searching lots of different contact sheets was not appealing! 😊
I'll investigate PM Plus.
Thanks0 -
Rudolphucker wrote:
SFA wrote:
Rudolphucker wrote:
Thanks for all your help.
I have imported a session into a catalogue, one ticked off.
However, I use photo Mechanic for IPTC and Metadata. On the imported session, I have put a players name into the headline field and can find it in PM. For some reason you can't 'find' for persons shown.
The next issue is the 'Headline' field is not showing in C1. All the other fields show fine.
Any thoughts please?
thanks
Simon
"Content Headline" is an available filter field in C1.
Go to the Filters tool, click the "..." icon at the right of the tool name line and find "Show/Hide Filters..."
That will provide a list of field based filter from the metadata from which you can select or deselect according to preferences and your data content.
You may well already know this but it seemed worthy of a mention.
HTH.
Grant
YAY!! Got it Grant, ticked the box and now the players names appear, thanks. 😄
There doesn't seem to be a 'person shown' field in C1, if there was I would use that.
The issue with using PM for finding players, is, as far as I am aware, is you can only search one contact sheet (one match) at a time. What I want to do is be able to search say, a whole season's matches in one hit. If I put the seasons matches into a group or project (yet to fathom, those out!) I can search for one player and get all the shots of him from that season. That is my target.
Thanks again. 😊
At least a small step forward.
You can of course use the same fields in the search facility without the need to have the Filtered results for the field value displayable at all times.
For individual' names - I tend to add them as Key Words. The IPTC standards, from memory, are sometimes a little over zealous in that area of identification. Consistency across systems can be a challenge.
One option may be to add the required metadata and export to, say, jpgs of a sensible size (i.e. smallish for "web" use) with metadata included. The make a catalogue from just the exported jpgs to keep is small and responsive.
However, if you have jpgs with metadata embedded they are likely searchable (and indexable) at the system level. Certainly using Windows I can just search using Windows and find the jpgs by embedded keywords, etc.. It occurred to me that that might be useful for clients as well.
Grant0
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