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New Basic Color Editor... WTF?

Roberto Alanis
I like that it has new colors and ranges, but what's the point of having the edit color ranges on a dialog? I want to be able to see the color as I'm editing (View selected color range) but I can't do it with the basic editor since when the dialog is visible the controls aren't editable.

I'm gonna have to stick with the Advanced color editor and some custom ranges that I got transferred from LR, so this leaves me with the big question. What's the point of having a basic color editor? it's crippled, it's useless the way it is.

Suggestion, leave it as it is... BUT: give us a checkbox on preferences or wherever that gives us "Show COMPLETE Basic Color Editor" so us users that want to have some fast control can get to all the controls fast. Or let us just hide it, since it's unusable and only show the Advance by default. (and let us configure Defaults for camera in this case). Don't leave it broken as it is, the experience is awful as it is.

My 2 cents. Everything else on v20 is a step forward, but this... just no. Please.
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  • SFA
    I think you have entirely missed the point of the change here but of course you still have the ability to work with the Advanced version and ignore the basic editor.


    Grant
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  • Ian Wilson
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    I almost always use the Advanced tab of the colour editor. But I quite like the new basic one.

    (1) If you click (say) the green, and then the ... you can see whether it is going to affect the range of greens you want, or you can drag around the circle and use the smoothness slider to refine the range you need. Then you adjust the hue saturation and lightness as required.

    (2) The direct colour editor idea seems good too. Click on the colour you want to affect (which might overlap more than one of the 8 ranges) and then just drag to adjust.

    Quick and easy, I'd say. If I wanted something that wasn't just quick and easy, I'd be using the Advanced or Skin Tone tab anyway.

    Ian
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  • Emile Gregoire
    Ian3 wrote:
    (1) If you click (say) the green, and then the ... you can see whether it is going to affect the range of greens you want, or you can drag around the circle and use the smoothness slider to refine the range you need. Then you adjust the hue saturation and lightness as required.


    Neat! I hadn't figured that one out yet.

    I actually love the new basic color editor. I used to live in the advanced editor but I found a new home 😊
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  • SFA
    Emile wrote:
    Ian3 wrote:
    (1) If you click (say) the green, and then the ... you can see whether it is going to affect the range of greens you want, or you can drag around the circle and use the smoothness slider to refine the range you need. Then you adjust the hue saturation and lightness as required.


    Neat! I hadn't figured that one out yet.

    I actually love the new basic color editor. I used to live in the advanced editor but I found a new home 😊


    😎

    As the old saying goes "One person''s meat is another person's poison."

    NB. I have updated the saying in an attempt to be gender neutral as required these days.
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  • Ian Wilson
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    SFA wrote:


    As the old saying goes "One person''s meat is another person's poison."

    NB. I have updated the saying in an attempt to be gender neutral as required these days.

    I noticed that! Very commendable. 😄
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  • Keith Reeder
    betoalanis wrote:
    I'm gonna have to stick with the Advanced color editor

    So what's the problem? Do that. Using the Basic editor is not mandatory.

    🙄
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  • Keith Reeder
    Ian3 wrote:
    I almost always use the Advanced tab of the colour editor. But I quite like the new basic one.

    Me too. It's very similar to what is implemented in Photo Ninja, and in truth I'll bet pounds to pennies that the functionality it provides is more than enough for 99.9% of Capture One users.

    Nobody complains that Photo Ninja's colour tools aren't good enough for them...
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  • Permanently deleted user
    I mostly use the Advanced color editor, but I would say that the control of Hue/Saturation/Lightness using only the motion of the mouse in the Basic tool is very convenient.
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    The idea of the renewed Basic color editor is three-fold, as I experience it.

    First, find a way to reduce screen real-estate. By moving the color wheel to a separate dialog as an option, with all the bells and whistles that come to it, this is a nice redesign, I think. Keep in mind that the Capture One Express products only have the Basic editor.

    Second, make it more intuitive to use. The combination of the predefined color samples, now with 8 instead of 6 samples including orange for skin tones, and the Direct Color Editor feature allows for a whole new experience. Keep in mind that the Color Editor, in general, is a bit overwhelming for the non-initiated. Hopefully, more users will find their way with it.

    Third, remove limitations. The range of slider adjustments is significantly larger than in previous versions. And you can now use Basic editor adjustments on layers.

    Overall, I think the Capture One team quite successfully implemented these changes. And for the rest of us power users, continue using the Advanced and Skin Tone editors.

    And you know of course that the Skin Tone editor can be used for any color, did you huh?
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  • SFA
    Very well described Paul.

    Kudos for that. All of the most pertinent points covered neatly and succinctly.


    Grant
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Thanks for that Grant, appreciated.
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  • Tibor
    Ian3 wrote:

    (2) The direct colour editor idea seems good too. Click on the colour you want to affect (which might overlap more than one of the 8 ranges) and then just drag to adjust.
    Ian


    I love the new direct color editor for that. It works perfectly with my Kensington Trackball when I have the upper right button mapped to Alt + click and the bottom right to shift + click. However, I needed to set the sensitivity low to 5. This way you can easily and quickly adjust the hue and saturation of basic tones when shooting tethered for example.
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  • CoastGuy
    I use the color editor a good deal. Just used the basic option to isolate the green background in a layer. Process was easy, fast, and required less than 2 minutes to clean up the mask. Previously I never used the basic option. Very nice enhancement.
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