Print Sharpening, version 10
We already had a sharpening for print option in previous versions, although in a somewhat rudimentary form, in the print dialog.
In version 10 there's a more developed "Output Sharpening for Print" option. But, it is an option for specifying a process recipe, i.e. for creating a derivative file like a jpeg or a tiff, not a printing option.
What then would be the recommended printing workflow, if you want to use the new sharpening option and print from within COP 10?
The new option lets you specify viewing distance for the print, highly relevant, but there's nothing about paper type, also highly relevant. Again, what's the recommended workflow to work around this? Thanks.
All the best,
Mogens
In version 10 there's a more developed "Output Sharpening for Print" option. But, it is an option for specifying a process recipe, i.e. for creating a derivative file like a jpeg or a tiff, not a printing option.
What then would be the recommended printing workflow, if you want to use the new sharpening option and print from within COP 10?
The new option lets you specify viewing distance for the print, highly relevant, but there's nothing about paper type, also highly relevant. Again, what's the recommended workflow to work around this? Thanks.
All the best,
Mogens
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Mogens,
There is a webinar about Sharpening next week.
It should be the perfect time to ask relevant questions that cover the different aspects of sharpening requirements that you mention.
I think the new features are intended for file production rather than direct printing. On the printing side that would allow files sent to on-line print sites to have different sharpening settings according to your chosen print size.
Presumably if you are printing yourself directly from the RAW file (for example) you would just adjust things to suit your preferences during the print process. My very quick testing suggests that there is no evident connection between the new adjustment options and direct printing via the print option.
However it would be good to use the opportunity of the webinar to discuss the options.
Grant0 -
Hi Grant,
Many thanks for answering, much appreciated.
I asked the paper type question in a COP10 thread on DPReview's retouching forum, opened by Paul Steunebrink:
He talked to Phase One about this and got an answer saying a bit of trial and error cannot be excluded. Hm, that rather lowers my expectations as to what to expect from the webinar, but time will tell, here's hoping for the best.
All the best,
Mogens0 -
mli20 wrote:
Hi Grant,
Many thanks for answering, much appreciated.
I asked the paper type question in a COP10 thread on DPReview's retouching forum, opened by Paul Steunebrink:
He talked to Phase One about this and got an answer saying a bit of trial and error cannot be excluded. Hm, that rather lowers my expectations as to what to expect from the webinar, but time will tell, here's hoping for the best.
All the best,
Mogens
Mogens,
I would doubt that all of the printer drivers out there - some of which will be quite old tech now - could be totally catered for by anything that could be provided for directly printing from a RAW file.
JPGs, on the other hand, along with other commonly used file print sources, should be more consistently handled by the printer programs since they are well established standards intended to deliver consistency consistently - or at least get as close to that as possible.
Nevertheless there may still be a difference between "close enough" and "exactly as I wanted it" when using a third party print service - or even one's own facilities! Some media will be more prone to the effects of tuning than others.
It sound like the perfect level of discussion for the webinar. Better still if the question is pre-presented to give time to prepare and answer and examples.0 -
AFAIK â€"but do correct me if I'm wrongâ€", there is no difference for a printer driver whether printing "directly from raw" or a jpg . It needs pixels in RGB (or in some cases, CMYK ), and where those pixels come from doesn't matter. It's the application's responsibility to convert whatever data it has (photo's, text files, spreadsheets, whatever) into those pixels. And to sharpen it if needed.
I agree with Mogen's remarks: having the new sharpening options in the print dialog would be nice.
Cheers,
Peter.0 -
Peter,
We are saying the same thing in different ways.
Bear in mind that most of the printers out on the wild will be working with 8 bits so, for practical purposes, everything they can deal with needs to be channelled down through a process somewhere to provide the equivalent of an input the driver has been programmed to understand. Something rather like a jpg, typically.
Grant0 -
I agree, the new print sharpening options need to be added to the print dialog. This has nothing to do with drivers - the printing subsystem in Lightroom, for example, is fantastic. 0 -
Narq wrote:
I agree, the new print sharpening options need to be added to the print dialog. This has nothing to do with drivers - the printing subsystem in Lightroom, for example, is fantastic.
I agree. The only reason I return to LR these days is to print.0 -
Narq wrote:
I agree, the new print sharpening options need to be added to the print dialog. This has nothing to do with drivers - the printing subsystem in Lightroom, for example, is fantastic.
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Narq wrote:
I agree, the new print sharpening options need to be added to the print dialog. This has nothing to do with drivers - the printing subsystem in Lightroom, for example, is fantastic.
Given the nature and size of Adobe's market it would be something of a surprise if it was not good.
In fact one assumes that if it was not good Adobe probably would not exist.
Where people have applied time and resources to develop a product for commercial purposes that sets out to enhance and improve on what the manufacturers offer for printing - and especially the products that target commercial printing businesses using high volume processes - it may well be that they have developed e their own ways to interface with the printers to deliver results.
Anyone without that need or interest or client demand is going to have to rely more completely in the printer manufacturer's interfaces. Mainly they are rather good in terms of print quality for perhaps 99% of most people's needs for small scale business and home or home office printing.
Once you go beyond that the chance are you will be looking at doing your own profiling, running RIPs and so on.
If you are at that point does the discussion about the capabilities (or limitations) of direct printing from C1 (or indeed any other similar application) actually matter at all?
Grant0
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