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Keyword list

Photocor
Hello,

I know we can find keywords for one picture in our metadata. But I would like to reorganized my global list and to do this I would like generate the total list of my keywords. Where can I find it in folder of the application or how can I extract it?

Regards.
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  • RobiWan
    It's not possible to export/ import Keywords from/ to C1.
    But what do you mean with "But I would like to reorganized my global list "? I'm using C1 with referenced Images and if I click on the "All pictures" than you can see all keywords you have.
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  • Photocor
    RobiWan wrote:
    It's not possible to export/ import Keywords from/ to C1.
    But what do you mean with "But I would like to reorganized my global list "? I'm using C1 with referenced Images and if I click on the "All pictures" than you can see all keywords you have.

    I know there is no function to do that and I did what you wrote. Thanks a lot.
    But I am quite sure the list exists somewhere in the application because when I select only one picture and when I write the first letter to find a keyword, the total list of keyword beginning by this letter appears and I can chose one.
    Reorganize, simple for exemple: change a spelling, or built hierarchy like "country, town, street".

    Regards.
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  • RobiWan
    Photocor wrote:

    But I am quite sure the list exists somewhere in the application because when I select only one picture and when I write the first letter to find a keyword, the total list of keyword beginning by this letter appears and I can chose one.
    Reorganize, simple for exemple: change a spelling, or built hierarchy like "country, town, street".


    C1 read all keywords from all yolur pictures on start from database and "hold" it in cache.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    What he's asking: "I want to see a list of all the keywords used throughout my C1 catalog and edit that list for spelling and/or hierarchical needs."

    What he's answering: "You can't do that in C1."

    I know. It sucks.

    Let's say you have entered the keyword "flower" for 1000 images, but want to change just that one keyword for every image to "flowers." The only way to do it is to use the "Info" tab to view and edit the keywords for every single one of those 1000 images.

    If you know that every one of those images contains the exact same set of keywords, you can edit the keywords of just one image, use the Adjustments Clipboard tool to check only the keywords metadata, then paste those keywords to every selected variant using the Apply Adjustments command (not the cursor toolâ€"that only works on one at a time). Keep in mind, the second method will wipe out all of the existing keywords and replace them with the newly pasted set of keywords.

    And those are the only ways of editing keywords inside C1. I know. It sucks.

    It would make me really happy for someone to prove me wrong and show a way to do what he's asking.
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  • SFA
    If I want to change a keyword en mass, as the flower to flowers example, I would simply accept that it would be easier to associate both keywords (the example does not suggest that flower is especially incorrect in the context).

    Add the "flowers" keyword, select all the "flower" keyworded images and add the extra word. It's a pragmatic approach with low negative impact (in this example) and gets the job done.

    Deleting is another matter. So correcting a widely applied misapplication of keywords, should that occur, is something of a problem.

    However we might reasonably assume that at some point there will be further enhancements provided and a solution or two will become available.

    Presumably anyone (or at least most users) using an "external" DAM system will already have a solution that would take precedence over any internal C1 fuctionality - hence why the C1 solution is dynamic.

    Grant
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  • Permanently deleted user
    SFA wrote:

    However we might reasonably assume that at some point there will be further enhancements provided and a solution or two will become available.


    Yeah, it's only version 8. I understand Aperture didn't have this kind of functionality until sometime during the beta phase.

    SFA wrote:
    Presumably anyone (or at least most users) using an "external" DAM system will already have a solution that would take precedence over any internal C1 fuctionality - hence why the C1 solution is dynamic.


    I don't understand this thinking. Is everyone supposed to be using two or three applications for their photography? One for storage and cataloging; one for RAW processing; and yet another for editing?

    If C1 is meant ONLY as a RAW processing engine, why add any of the other features? Why not just build the app to do only that which it is best at and charge an appropriate fee for its use? I'd happily pay up to $100 to have my RAW images look as good as C1 makes them look, but to pay $300 for additional functions that are mediocre at best (and headache-inducing at worst) seems ridiculous.

    If, on the other hand, C1 is meant as a replacement for Aperture (which, despite some peoples' claims, it really seems to want to be) then the developers really need to get on board with adding functionality that has been in competing software for almost a decade.

    Hire Apple's defunct Aperture development team. Copy the features directly. I'm sure Apple won't mind at this point.
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  • SFA
    PDBreske wrote:
    SFA wrote:

    However we might reasonably assume that at some point there will be further enhancements provided and a solution or two will become available.


    Yeah, it's only version 8. I understand Aperture didn't have this kind of functionality until sometime during the beta phase.

    SFA wrote:
    Presumably anyone (or at least most users) using an "external" DAM system will already have a solution that would take precedence over any internal C1 fuctionality - hence why the C1 solution is dynamic.


    I don't understand this thinking. Is everyone supposed to be using two or three applications for their photography? One for storage and cataloging; one for RAW processing; and yet another for editing?

    If C1 is meant ONLY as a RAW processing engine, why add any of the other features? Why not just build the app to do only that which it is best at and charge an appropriate fee for its use? I'd happily pay up to $100 to have my RAW images look as good as C1 makes them look, but to pay $300 for additional functions that are mediocre at best (and headache-inducing at worst) seems ridiculous.

    If, on the other hand, C1 is meant as a replacement for Aperture (which, despite some peoples' claims, it really seems to want to be) then the developers really need to get on board with adding functionality that has been in competing software for almost a decade.

    Hire Apple's defunct Aperture development team. Copy the features directly. I'm sure Apple won't mind at this point.


    Aperture?

    I know nothing about it. Like many others I use Windows and applications that run on Windows. There is an entire world outside of the Apple bubble.

    Try to see things from a different direction.

    As for the external DAM comment. Many Professional and Enthusiast photographers are quite likely to be using other applications including their DAM application of preference. That was the point I was making. I have no idea how many of them relied solely on Aperture. My impression from reading the forum and watching videos presented by guest Capture One users is "not too many".

    But the point here is that since C1 did not have any level of comprehensive DAM capabilities until fairly recently long term users needing them would have certainly been using other applications. In fact I would imagine perhaps almost all of them would have used Photoshop at some point and so have a need for a DAM that was independent of C1.

    Phase obtained just such a product - something that is useable for multiple document types not just photo related files.

    So, working on the basis that people have a DAM system that allows addition and maintenance of keywords and other attributes, notably IPTC information, Capture One has to seek to allow access to that data and make it useful. Therefore it cannot rely solely on an internal set of keywords and needs to offer a dynamic presentation of what finds in the files or the sidecar files available for inter-application data exchange. The is especially important when using the traditional C1 Session approach rather than the constraint (as some might see it, me being one of them) of a Catalog concept.

    And that was my point. At this stage in the digital (photography) revolution many people do not expect to be held captive to a single product or a single way of working and I don't think any available products for the photographic market cover all of the ground. So it's probably best to assume that most people will use more than one software product in their photography activity and develop applications with that in mind. Likewise they will use more than one computer platform, not just Apple.

    The other unique thing about Phase is, of course, that their primary business has been about the development of hardware - cameras in particular. The software is clearly a development that was originally required to support the cameras and moved out into a wider market whereas most other products seem to have different origins. The "big names" typically dame form a document management and graphics background with comprehensive applications (for their day) already available. To this they added a form of digital photo editing and storing and then eventually RAW file conversion with a non-destructive approach.

    Anyone starting with a RAW converter program development will probably not have made an attempt to recreate the wheel of DAM functionality early on when the market was already well established and they had no need to compete with it. Looking at it the other way ... many long term users will have existing favourite applications for different needs in their business or hobby and probably don't really want to change their habits too much to quickly if they can avoid doing so. So for many reasons people will be using multiple applications and therefore to answer your question - yes, I do assume that many people, possibly everyone who thinks of themselves as a "serious" photographer (rightly or wrongly), will more than likely be using more than one application. It seems to be something that people do. Even Adobe expect it given the suite of applications they offer.

    Which is why the Dynamic reading and display of Keywords and other data is important.

    IMO.

    Grant
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  • OddS.
    SFA wrote:
    ...yes, I do assume that many people, possibly everyone who thinks of themselves as a "serious" photographer (rightly or wrongly), will more than likely be using more than one application. It seems to be something that people do. Even Adobe expect it given the suite of applications they offer.


    I don't think users mind multiple applications as such. The real problem is poor integration. Applications in a suite are expected to be well integrated.
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  • SFA
    OddS wrote:
    SFA wrote:
    ...yes, I do assume that many people, possibly everyone who thinks of themselves as a "serious" photographer (rightly or wrongly), will more than likely be using more than one application. It seems to be something that people do. Even Adobe expect it given the suite of applications they offer.


    I don't think users mind multiple applications as such. The real problem is poor integration. Applications in a suite are expected to be well integrated.


    That is true. Indeed one would expect it on the basis that development would be more cost effective if components of the code were re-usable and re-used. That is not always the case when a suite is put together but one would hope it would head that way after a further development period.

    However that does not mean that the suite, over all, is certain to deliver what all of its user expect to see.


    Grant
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  • Permanently deleted user
    SFA wrote:

    Like many others I use Windows and applications that run on Windows.


    You have my sympathy.

    SFA wrote:

    As for the external DAM comment. Many Professional and Enthusiast photographers are quite likely to be using other applications including their DAM application of preference. That was the point I was making. I have no idea how many of them relied solely on Aperture. My impression from reading the forum and watching videos presented by guest Capture One users is "not too many".


    For whatever reason, Apple decided to discontinue Aperture development. There are many professional photographers who were upset by this decision and who are now forced to make a decision as to what they will use in the future. Even if they are able to use Aperture with their current hardware, there will come a time when they will want or need to upgrade to a new computer and there is no way of knowing now whether that new Mac will run on a version of the OS that breaks Aperture. I would think Phase One could see this as an opportunity to induce former Aperture users into cross-grading to C1. Instead, the impression I get is that Phase One doesn't see the need to improve the weakest aspects of C1. Aspects that, if enhanced, could make this application an absolute world-beater.

    (In my opinion, the reason you have seen "not too many" Aperture users represented on this forum and in guest videos is probably because Aperture is so good that most users are holding onto it until they simply can't use it any longer. It's not that they don't like C1, it's that they don't want to leave Aperture. I know I didn't.)
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  • SFA
    PDBreske wrote:
    SFA wrote:

    Like many others I use Windows and applications that run on Windows.


    You have my sympathy.

    SFA wrote:

    As for the external DAM comment. Many Professional and Enthusiast photographers are quite likely to be using other applications including their DAM application of preference. That was the point I was making. I have no idea how many of them relied solely on Aperture. My impression from reading the forum and watching videos presented by guest Capture One users is "not too many".


    For whatever reason, Apple decided to discontinue Aperture development. There are many professional photographers who were upset by this decision and who are now forced to make a decision as to what they will use in the future. Even if they are able to use Aperture with their current hardware, there will come a time when they will want or need to upgrade to a new computer and there is no way of knowing now whether that new Mac will run on a version of the OS that breaks Aperture. I would think Phase One could see this as an opportunity to induce former Aperture users into cross-grading to C1. Instead, the impression I get is that Phase One doesn't see the need to improve the weakest aspects of C1. Aspects that, if enhanced, could make this application an absolute world-beater.

    (In my opinion, the reason you have seen "not too many" Aperture users represented on this forum and in guest videos is probably because Aperture is so good that most users are holding onto it until they simply can't use it any longer. It's not that they don't like C1, it's that they don't want to leave Aperture. I know I didn't.)


    Well you have my sympathy too if your experiences are similar to those of many who have felt abandoned by Aperture and have discovered the benefits of Capture One (as well as the differences.)

    As for my Windows installation - difficult to fault quite frankly.

    My extensive reading of comments in this forum leave me very satisfied to be using Windows rather than a Mac for my needs. I also use business software that does not run on a Mac and I see no need whatsoever to work with separate systems.

    As for your comments about C1 development - I think you are taking a very limited view indeed. However everyone is entitled to an opinion whether it is right or wrong.


    Grant
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  • RobiWan
    The "only" one easy way to change a single keyword on multiple images is create and use a simple SQL query.
    If you are using a Mac - sqlite3 is "on board"

    1. You know which keyword you are searching for.
    2. All keywords are saved in a one table
    3. All keywords are separated with "," character

    Its possible that you keyword is a single keyword
    Its possible that you keyword is a first keyword in keyword list
    Its possible that your keyword is not a first keyword in keyword list
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  • Permanently deleted user
    RobiWan wrote:
    The "only" one easy way to change a single keyword on multiple images is create and use a simple SQL query.
    If you are using a Mac - sqlite3 is "on board"

    1. You know which keyword you are searching for.
    2. All keywords are saved in a one table
    3. All keywords are separated with "," character

    Its possible that you keyword is a single keyword
    Its possible that you keyword is a first keyword in keyword list
    Its possible that your keyword is not a first keyword in keyword list


    Oh. Is that all it takes? So simple. /sarcasm
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