C1 20 to Photoshop round-trip
Hi folks,
I have the following problem:
When working in a Session, I do my edits and everything and then I jump to PS through "Edit with..", do my edits there, as well, cmd/ctrl + S and when I jump back to C1 my PSD variant is not automatically imported.
Is there a workaround for this? I haven't tried it with the Catalogue, but when in Session I have to re-import it which slows down the whole process. If I choose to edit a bunch of images at once in PS, then have to re-import the PSDs all back with the "exclude duplicates" option and wait a lot.
How's your experience?
PS: On a mac, if that makes any difference.
Thanks,
Krassy
I have the following problem:
When working in a Session, I do my edits and everything and then I jump to PS through "Edit with..", do my edits there, as well, cmd/ctrl + S and when I jump back to C1 my PSD variant is not automatically imported.
Is there a workaround for this? I haven't tried it with the Catalogue, but when in Session I have to re-import it which slows down the whole process. If I choose to edit a bunch of images at once in PS, then have to re-import the PSDs all back with the "exclude duplicates" option and wait a lot.
How's your experience?
PS: On a mac, if that makes any difference.
Thanks,
Krassy
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(1) When you "Edit with" are you specifying PSD as the file format?
(2) I don't use PS, but in Affinity Photo (which can handle PSD format files) there is an option in Preferences that says Enable "Save" over imported PDSD files. I wonder whether there is a similar preference in PS that you need to look at.
Ian0 -
1/ Yeah, when I "Edit with" I'm choosing a 16 bit, PSD with 300 ppi in this case.
2/ I had a look at PS preferences and couldn't find anything special. If the idea behind the setting you're talking about is to save it as the same file, not to create a new version of it, this is already done by PS by default.
The problem is just when I work in Session. I tested it with a catalogue and when I pop back to C1, the PSD is already there with all adjustments.0 -
With a session you would not normally have to re-import anything (importing is not a requirement of using a session) but it may simply be that the the new or replaced file has not yet been re-read and uploaded to working memory immediately.
As an experiment try forcing the system to read the folder with the newly saved file to see what happens then.
Is the folder set up as a Favorite folder?
Grant
ETA: One thing that I often forget ...
Are you selecting images with any sort of filter applied?. Assuming a INCLUSIVE filter, does the new version of the file have the appropriate filter available?0 -
Yeah, It makes sense not to be expected to re-import anything in a Session, but it's really neat working in session before importing it to the catalogue when you're done. I have no idea how to force it to re-read the folder, however what you said got me thinking.
The folder is not set as a Favourite, however, it's a Smart Folder. I got some more testing done.
- "Edit with" from a Smart Folder - creates PSD, does not import it back to C1
- "Edit with" from the folder the image is, NOT a smart Folder - images gets imported to C1 with the same rating and colour tag and appears in the Smart Folder.
So after all, it seems you can "edit with" from a folder only. It returns with the same filters, but you cannot "edit with" from a smart folder.
It's kinda weird, don't you think?0 -
So it sounds as though you can "edit with" from a smart folder, in that the image does get taken into PS to be worked on, but it doesn't come back with the criteria for being in the smart folder intact. One way of getting round it might be, when you have identified the image in the smart folder that you want to take to PS, right click it and choose show in Library so that you can easily send it to PS from its actual folder.
Ian0 -
I guess that's the only way to do it now. I might give it a go and write a feedback on this, maybe it's not intended to work like that. We'll see!
Thanks for the help! At least there is no need to re-import it!
Cheers,
Krassy0 -
krassydimitrov wrote:
Hi folks,
I have the following problem:
When working in a Session, I do my edits and everything and then I jump to PS through "Edit with..", do my edits there, as well, cmd/ctrl + S and when I jump back to C1 my PSD variant is not automatically imported.
Is there a workaround for this? I haven't tried it with the Catalogue, but when in Session I have to re-import it which slows down the whole process. If I choose to edit a bunch of images at once in PS, then have to re-import the PSDs all back with the "exclude duplicates" option and wait a lot.
How's your experience?
PS: On a mac, if that makes any difference.
Thanks,
Are you sure it is not importing it? do a PSD search in your session. Sometimes it doesn't make it appear in the browser but its there. If you search PSD I am sure you will find it
Krassy0 -
alececco wrote:
Are you sure it is not importing it? do a PSD search in your session. Sometimes it doesn't make it appear in the browser but its there. If you search PSD I am sure you will find it
Krassy
Hi Alececco,
It is not importing it. But also, if it was, but not showing, having you to search for it, that is killing the workflow speed.
At any rate, you can check what turned out to be the problem below:krassydimitrov wrote:
Yeah, It makes sense not to be expected to re-import anything in a Session, but it's really neat working in session before importing it to the catalogue when you're done. I have no idea how to force it to re-read the folder, however what you said got me thinking.
The folder is not set as a Favourite, however, it's a Smart Folder. I got some more testing done.
- "Edit with" from a Smart Folder - creates PSD, does not import it back to C1
- "Edit with" from the folder the image is, NOT a smart Folder - images gets imported to C1 with the same rating and colour tag and appears in the Smart Folder.
So after all, it seems you can "edit with" from a folder only. It returns with the same filters, but you cannot "edit with" from a smart folder.
It's kinda weird, don't you think?
It is importing it only if it's "edited with" from a folder, not a Smart Folder.
Kind Regards,
Krassy0 -
krassydimitrov wrote:
Hi folks,
I have the following problem:
When working in a Session, I do my edits and everything and then I jump to PS through "Edit with..", do my edits there, as well, cmd/ctrl + S and when I jump back to C1 my PSD variant is not automatically imported.
It may help in sorting this out to realise that C1 doesn't "import" the PSD from PS.
When you use "edit with", C1 creates a PSD beside the original raw in the capture folder (If that is where they live), and then opens that PSD in PS. Depending on how you have the various windows set up you can actually see this PSD in C1 "before" PS opens.
If you then edit the PSD in PS, while also looking at the PSD in C1, you can see this PSD update every time you save it in PS.
I suspect your problem is something to do with the way the smart folder is filtering the variants, and that the PSD is in fact visible beside the raw file in the capture folder, but not being filtered by the smart folder.
Once upon a time you couldn't run "edit with" from a smart folder because it only contained virtual copies of files and "edit with" needed access to a "real" file so I haven't tried for years to "edit with" from a smart folder, but I guess that has been changed.
I would have a go at the criteria for the smart folder and see if you can specify filtering PSDs, or check if running edit with from the smart folder is stripping the metadata that the smart folder uses in its filter.
I know this doesn't answer your question but hopefully, it may help you track down the problem.
Cheers,
Graham0 -
It occurs to me too that when you Edit With, you get a dialog box to specify the format in which your file will be sent to the outside application (JPG, PSD, TIFF, etc). One of the tabs in that says Metadata. Is it possible that when you create the PSD, the settings in the Metadata tab of this dialog box are not set to include the information on which your smart album is based? For example, what does it say in the Keywords drop down list? Is the checkbox for rating and colour tag selected?
Ian0 -
Ian3 wrote:
It occurs to me too that when you Edit With, you get a dialog box to specify the format in which your file will be sent to the outside application (JPG, PSD, TIFF, etc). One of the tabs in that says Metadata. Is it possible that when you create the PSD, the settings in the Metadata tab of this dialog box are not set to include the information on which your smart album is based? For example, what does it say in the Keywords drop down list? Is the checkbox for rating and colour tag selected?
Ian
That's a good point, which ties in with my suggestion on checking whether the metadata is matching the smart folder criteria, but it not being saved with the PSD seems the most likely situation0 -
krassydimitrov wrote:
Yeah, It makes sense not to be expected to re-import anything in a Session, but it's really neat working in session before importing it to the catalogue when you're done. I have no idea how to force it to re-read the folder, however what you said got me thinking.
The folder is not set as a Favourite, however, it's a Smart Folder. I got some more testing done.
- "Edit with" from a Smart Folder - creates PSD, does not import it back to C1
- "Edit with" from the folder the image is, NOT a smart Folder - images gets imported to C1 with the same rating and colour tag and appears in the Smart Folder.
So after all, it seems you can "edit with" from a folder only. It returns with the same filters, but you cannot "edit with" from a smart folder.
It's kinda weird, don't you think?
So the folder is not a Favourite and not part of the internal session default folder structure? ("Capture" folder for example)
if so the smart filter will only work, I think, if you currently have that folder open.
But a smart "folder" is an odd beast - i'm not really sure there is such a thing in reality - certainly not something that an external program would recognise and if, as I was hinting in my previous post, you are using some sort of data content selection (i.e. a filter/search for the 'Smartness' and that data does not exist in the output from the external program (or does not exist where it is expected to be by C1) then you would not see the returned file in a filter search but you should see it from the library.
If it is going back to its "parent's" folder then right click the parent, and use Show in Library or show in Finder (Explorer in Windows) and that should take you to the folder from where you should be able to see the returned file. And then check t see if the require 'Smart' data is present.
HTH.
Grant0
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