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feature request: frequency separation

marozsas
Would be nice if I could edit portraits all inside Capture One without depend on 3rd part tools, like Adobe PS, which I depend on to do skin treatment using Frequency Separation.

What is the chance to see FS on the next version of Capture One ? Is this a demanding feature or is just me ?

Is there a pool somewhere where we can vote on our favorite feature to be implemented or something like that ?

I am kind of disappointed it don´t have it yet....
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  • Ian Wilson
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    If you want to suggest a feature, use the Support Case route, and make it clear that you are requesting an enhancement. If you also mention it here, as you have done, other users may (or may not) also want to request it. Phase One say that one of the ways they gauge which features to develop is how many users request them.

    Ian
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  • cdc
    To make FS work in Capture One they would have to incorporate filters/effects and layer blend modes and push the program more towards being a graphics editor. I wouldn't be opposed to that if it doesn't slow down the core features of the program, but I don't see that happening any time soon, if ever.

    That said when I'm doing this level of retouching I find Photoshop to be far more responsive & intuitive than using the tools in Capture One, making for an all around faster & better edit. The same can be said for intricate masking, dodge & burning, larger healing/clone tasks, et cetera.
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  • SFA
    Things may depend a lot on what you are trying to get from the image but having looked at a couple of videos about the use of frequency separation in Photoshop I wondered how far one might get towards the same look using C1.

    I'll start out by saying I am no expert with portraits and skin tones, rarely shoot anything that would require related adjustments and don''t have the sort of high resolution sensors that people probably use these days.

    So I downloaded some Canon EOS R and Fuji GF samples.

    I'm also not a huge fan of what seems to be a "plastic face" look but if that's what people need for their clients then so be it.

    Anyway, the basic requirement seems to be to consolidate skin colour and smooth it to elminate natural blemishes, remove spots but retain skin texture - or at least the attractive parts of it.

    So to me that suggested the Colour editor skin tone feature, the spot removal tool and the clarity tool as tools to work with but also starting with a Linear curve and some basic adjustments for WB, Contrast and Saturation. Also the HDR tool if appropriate and maybe exposure and brightness. Probably some levels play as well but for me all of the tools mention from Linear Curve onwards are normal processing steps in most images.

    So having set up the images to a state that looked like a good starting point I dived in with the Skin Tone editor on a layer and tweaked things to even out the tones and added a few adjustments on a separate layer or two to relieve dark areas or highlights that were too far outside the main part of the skin colour range to make it worth trying to include then in a single adjustment.

    A little experimentation with the Clarity tool with negative clarity but positive Structure helped to further smooth the skin tones but retain skin texture detail - especially when viewed at 100% with the hi resolution files I was using and only a 1920x1080 display.

    Depending in the image the Luma Range selection was helpful at times and creating a mask based on a colour range selection although that was mainly a useful tool for avoiding parts of an image with near colours but areas that did not need to be selected in areas of detail. It avoids intricate masking challenges if one is lucky. However that is an image by image choice and not a basic requirement for creating the frequency separation look - or at least that look as I understand it.

    Others may see it as needing a very different approach.

    The first image I worked with took me about 10 minutes to work out an approach - longer to refine it and get into detailed retouching but that's not the challenge. That was a bright full sun image from a Canon EOS R.

    The second major effort was using a somewhat under exposed full shade image from the Fuji GF with 2 people and different skin tones. I found that a little more difficult to work with at the start for some reason that I cannot quite pin down but got a result (or results in fact) after a while. I think it was just more complicated as an image and the lighting meant the flexibility available in the Canon shot was simply not available.

    Has anyone else looked at this approach to obtaining the frequency separation based skin styling entirely within C1?



    Grant
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  • mli20
    marozsas wrote:
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    My vote: No to frequency separation in Capture One.

    FS is easy to come by in software such as Photoshop and Affinity Photo. We have a choice:

    A) Download Affinity Photo today and do frequency separation tomorrow.

    B) Wait an indeterminate number of month/years for FS to be implemented in Capture One.

    What is the model example for a feature in Capture One implemented as a result of popular demand?

    MLI
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  • cdc
    SFA wrote:
    Has anyone else looked at this approach to obtaining the frequency separation based skin styling entirely within C1?


    The basic idea behind FS is using layer blend modes to separate the tone/color from the texture. What ever work around you try there's just no way to do that in Capture One like you can in Photoshop. I'd just stick to the old fashioned dodge/burn/heal/clone techniques if you were to keep all retouching within C1.
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