image selection - albums vs collections

Comments

16 comments

  • IanW
    If you mean session in the Capture One sense (a Session rather than a Catalog) it is possible to work with images from several sessions in a couple of ways.

    (1) Assuming you have several sessions, say Session A, Session B and Session C, you could open Session A, and create an Album in it as desired. Add to it all the Session A images you want to include. Then still in Session A navigate in the Library tool to the folders on your computer where the Session B and Session C images are (perhaps the Selects folders of Session B and Session C) and drag from there to the same Album. The Album can only exist in one of the Sessions, but there is no reason (other than inconvenience) why you shouldn't in that Session make us of images in other Sessions.

    (2) Import the Sessions (or just the Selects folders from the Sessions) into a Catalog, and create your album there.

    Ian
    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • NNN636453206061589948
    Thanks Ian, I've been using sessions, instead of catalogs, but this seems like something that is better suited to catalogs. As long as I can drag images from various sessions and/or folders into one catalog that is dedicated to collecting images to be sent out to a printer. The downside, I think, is that these won't be virtual copies, will they? I'll be duplicating images and increasing space used on disk?
    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • IanW
    If you use my suggestion number (1), then you can drag the images into the session A Album.

    If you want to use catalogs, my method (2) then there need be no duplication of images. In a catalog, images can be either stored (a) inside the catalog (managed images) or (b) in their existing location on your hard disc.*

    Option (a) does involve a second copy of the actual image file going into the catalog, so it does mean quite an increase in the storage space required. Option (b) does not make a copy of the image file: instead Capture One makes reference to the existing file on disc when it needs to. It does create previews of the images inside the catalog, so there is a duplication of the space taken by the previews, but that is comparatively small compared with the actual image file size.

    One downside of using the catalog route, however, is that if you make further edits to the images once you have added them to the catalog, those edits are stored in the catalog, but they won't synchronise with the older edits in the session. Therefore if you use the catalog option, a good strategy can be to start off with a session, if you like sessions (which I do) but after most of your work in the session is done, add the session (or just the keepers from the session, for which I use the Selects folder) to the catalog. But after that, any more work on those images is done through the catalog only.

    *For completeness, I should add that under option (b) in a catalog, you can also store the images in a catalog in a new location on your hard disc, but that doesn't seem relevant to your requirements.

    Ian
    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • SFA
    NNN636453206061589948 wrote:
    I'd like to select a number of images across many different sessions and folders into a single virtual folder, in order to send out to a printer. Is Albums the correct tool for this? I was able to set up an album, by creating from a selection images in a single folder, but I can't figure out how to add additional photos to that album when I go to another folder . I thought it'd be a simpler matter of drag and drop, but the album I created is nowhere to be found in my library.



    By "send out to a printer" do you mean a printer attached to your computer, a set of files to be sent to an external print service or and entire batch of RAW files complete with edits that a person is going to work with to return some commercially generated prints? (EIP files for example).

    In the first case - your own printer - you can either print directly from the RAW file plus current edits or you can "freeze" the image by producing a print file (jpg or TIFF most commonly)

    In the second case you are likely producing a print file in jog or TIFF format.

    In the third case you would likely be sending a copy of the RAW (more generically called the "source") file plus the edits so would have to copy anyway.

    If you are preparing ready for print files, perhaps in a folder in the "Outputs" folder of each session, complete with metadata but you have a print project that covers files from several sessions there is the option of creating a "For Print" session that has those specific folders associated with it as "favourites". That way you get those folder (the print ready images) in a single session ready for your printing activity without separating them from their original session.

    You could do much the same thing with EIP files but probably only by moving them out of their original folders UNLESS you only saved files you wished to share for printing as EIP files in which case the EIP file extension might just be enough to identify the files required for printing.

    If you feel that a "Print Catalogue" might be more to your liking you could do much the same thing using referenced images. Your "Print Session" would probably be a good source for feeding a Print Catalogue.

    These concepts are basically using the same principles that Ian3 has proposed but coming form a slightly different starting point. (I think).

    HTH

    Grant
    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • NNN636453206061589948
    @Ian, Thanks again for the terrific description. I think I'm going to stick to using sessions,but I've just realized I've totally overlooked the utility of using the Selects folder. I'll get there!
    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • NNN636453206061589948
    @Grant,
    Thanks Grant. Yes, the idea is to collect a series of "processed" images to send out to an online print lab. For me, that means the chosen images are already sitting in an output folder of the session they were created in.They're usually jpgs,unless I know I'm trying to print big, in which case I'll have retained a high-res TIFF. I do have a local printer attached to my computer, but it's not really suitable for prints that I've sold.
    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • SFA
    NNN636453206061589948 wrote:
    @Grant,
    Thanks Grant. Yes, the idea is to collect a series of "processed" images to send out to an online print lab. For me, that means the chosen images are already sitting in an output folder of the session they were created in.They're usually jpgs,unless I know I'm trying to print big, in which case I'll have retained a high-res TIFF. I do have a local printer attached to my computer, but it's not really suitable for prints that I've sold.


    OK, so if the images are coming from separate Sessions having a Session that points to the output folders of your Individual edit sessions could be a good approach.

    Or maybe a Catalogue of all the Output files - which is something I have thought about doing if I ever manage to catch up with the IPTC data updates on the back catalogue!


    Grant
    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • NNN636453206061589948
    SFA wrote:


    OK, so if the images are coming from separate Sessions having a Session that points to the output folders of your Individual edit sessions could be a good approach.

    Or maybe a Catalogue of all the Output files - which is something I have thought about doing if I ever manage to catch up with the IPTC data updates on the back catalogue!


    Grant


    Hi Grant, a catalog of all the Output files? Better, if I can isolate just those images in the output that have earned five stars. That actually sounds like it'd be useful! The more I consider it, I suppose that's what the "Select" folders are designed for. In Lightroom, I used the instant collections for this type of thing. I'll get there, eventually.
    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • Philricordel

    I have a similar question, or at least its sound similar to me, therefore I am joining the subject.

    I have several sessions, all about the same subject among the years, within each of the sessions I keep the top images but also what I do name backup images (the ones I will normally not use as they have some flaw, but I have to keep in case someone is asking for) . 

    I would like to be able to have an an immediate access to the top images of all the session, I did try the idea exposed here above (importing session into a catalog), but if that works it is not convenient as the importation process import everything from the session, I have no way to say C1 to import only the images I need by selecting a folder or even better selecting an album (my top images are virtually grouped using intelligent album in each session I got.

    Do I miss something from the discussion above ? Or this is really something not possible to do ? Of course any suggestions are welcome here ...

     

    Phil

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • IanW

    Phil

    It is possible to select a folder to import into a catalog. There are two ways of bringing images from a session into a catalog.

    1. Import the whole session
    2. Import just some images - for instance just one folder.

    I use option 2. regularly. I start a new session every month, and sometimes have some extra ones for instance for a holiday. I make use of the Selects folder in the session for my keepers. When I get to the end of the month, or when I have done most of the editing of the holiday photos, I import the Selects folder into my catalog. (I specify that the images imported into the catalog are left at their existing location, so the catalog is indexing them but not moving them. And you have to be sure to specify that the option to include existing adjustments is checked.) My really bad images in the session have been deleted (sent to the Session trash, and I usually wait a while before emptying it). My less good ones have been left in the Capture folder. I may delete them eventually, but I don't import them into the catalog.

    If you wanted to have folders of Best and Second Best images (which is what I think you are envisaging) you could add another folder to your session - perhaps as well as the Selects folder you could have a Best folder. You could have it next to the Selects folder on disk, and add it as a session favourite. Your keepers or potential keepers could go to the Selects folder, and then the very best could go to the Best folder. You could import both the Best and the Selects folders to the catalog.

    Just a suggestion, but it would be one way of doing it.

    Ian

     

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • Philricordel

    Ian,

     

    First thank you for your detailed answer, that brings me what I am looking for.

    But that also rise one complementary question from my side :

    - How do you add a folder to the session ? I am still looking for .. I mean I can add it as favorite but not at the same level as Selects folder for example. Do I miss something ?

    Also, but this is just a thought, that could be very interesting to be able to export an album as a catalog or to import an album within a catalog, this is much more for C1 support/development team here I confess.

    Phil

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • IanW

    You can create a folder from within Capture One, or in Windows Explorer.

    Within Capture One go to the System Folders section in the Library tool, and select the Session folder (called 2020C March in my example below). Click on the + at the top of the System Folders section, and type in a name for your new folder (perhaps Best as previously discussed) then OK. The folder should appear in the Library tool. Right click it and choose to add it to session favourites.

     

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • Philricordel

    Ian,

     

    I get your message. I guess you are using a Mac, I am with a PC. There is no little + nearby the system folder, but it is not a problem, I can add up the folder via the standard command outside of C1.

    From several try, the best I can have is a duplication of the selected images into this new folder (named best of example). Then I can import such folder into a general catalog.

    Let say its works that way even I dislike the idea having images duplicated at one point (I may remove them from the session folders and only keep the ones copied to the Best folder, just another thing to manage and take care of).

    Thanks again for your help, highly appreciated.  

    Phil

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • SFA

    Phil.

    "- How do you add a folder to the session ? I am still looking for .. I mean I can add it as favorite but not at the same level as Selects folder for example. Do I miss something ? "

    The Capture, Selects, Output and Trash folders created by Capture one in the OS folder structure for a Session have a purpose for fast set up for, say, a studio shoot and make things quick and easy to set up a default basic folder system or, by creating and using a Session Template, a regularly used session format of one's own design.

    In the Library tool the 4 correspondingly named folders at the top of the list are in fact "virtual" folders that initially point to the same named "physical" folders by default. HOWEVER, users can choose any other folder their system can access and make THAT a "Capture" folder or a Selects/Output/Trash folder. Usually that would be something one might do during later editing and perhaps most commonly for Output activity. (Note that for Output activity that would normally be best handled using the Output Recipe tools but the functionality is flexible and so adaptable according to user preferences.)

    As IanW has documented the was to associate a folder with a session on a "permanent" basis is to make it a Favourite folder for that Session. All that means is that the Session will have a reference to the folder. It does not mean that the Session exclusively manages that Folder or its contents. (A folder can be referenced by multiple Sessions.)

    If at some point you wish to dissociate the folder from a session you just need to remove its "Favourite" status.

    If you use the "Capture", "Selects", "Output" and "Trash" Virtual folders  - either by drag and drop or the Keyboard Shortcut function, etc,. - the Image files AND their associated sidecar files will be physically copied to to whichever "physical" folder the "Virtual" folder function is currently pointing to. Within a single self-contained session this is quite a powerful tool. If you are sharing a folder of images with one or more additional sessions then some careful considerations may be necessary to set up a work flow that provides optimal and consistent results every time without having to give it much thought on the day.

    All of this sounds rather complicated but it isn't really once you are familiar with the way things work. In fact it is incredible flexible once you feel comfortable with the concepts.

     

    HTH.

    Grant

     

     

     

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • Philricordel

    Hi Grant,

    Thanks for the explanations given, that perfectly complement Ian post.

    I think I can now setup a workflow the way I wanted, it is a little bit more complex than I was thinking, but not that much. I just have now to think about globally in order to do make mistakes and not being limited in future.

    Thanks again you both ..

    Phil

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • BeO

    One thing to consider if you start with a session, make adjustments, and later import a session folder including the adjustments to a catalog:

    Adjustments done in a session will create setting/adjustment files in the session folder structure. Importing to catalog will import the adjustments into the catalog database. But the settings giles are not synchronized with the catalog db settings, which means that further edits in the session or inthe catalog will not reflect in the other. In don't think there is a way to synch or merge further adjustments from session to catalog or vice versa after the initial import.

    I don't use C1 this way so my statement might possibly be incorrect (anyone who knows better please correct me).

    regards

    0
    Comment actions Permalink

Please sign in to leave a comment.