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Adjustments only partly copied

rbbm
Hi, I am using C1 20 on a MacPro with MacOS 10.14.6 CR2 files

some of my adjustments are not copied over to other files. Some are. Layers will be, as far as I can see, completely copied. So I found a workaround: creating an inverted layer and make all adjustments on that layer. This will copy to other files.

That said it´s a workaround and I would like to have proper working software. Any ideas?

Thank you
Ralf
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Could you be more explicit in what adjustments are not copied? Please specify which of the many ways Capture One offers in this respect you used, i.e. your actions. This will enable us to help you better.
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  • rbbm
    Paul_Steunebrink wrote:
    Could you be more explicit in what adjustments are not copied? Please specify which of the many ways Capture One offer in this respect you used, i.e. your actions. This will enable us to help you better.



    I know for certain that clarity is not copied. HDR the depth slider is not copied. High lights are copied. What else I don´t know, because I am in the middle of production and have no time to go through everything. As I noted it seems layers are not affected by this behaviour. That´s why I am using an inverted layer to adjust. This can be copied to other files. But, of course, this has also downsides....

    The way I am using it is just clicking the arrow (copy main variant)

    Thanks
    Ralf
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    You could try to copy in either one of these two ways:

    The all-adjustments-on-clipboard-option
    Select the source image, press Shift+Cmd+C to copy all adjustments (except composition, depending on clipboard setting) to the clipboard. Look at the Adjustments Clipboard tool to see checkboxes for all tools that are adjusted. If one is missing, you at least know that the copy stage of the copy-apply process is faulty. Next, select a destination image (yes, more images is fine too) and apply with Shift+Cmd+V. Check whether the settings are applied.

    The only-one-adjustment-on-clipboard-option
    Select source and destination image(s), go to the tool you like to copy the adjustments over, say Clarity, and click on the double arrow. Next, click on the Apply button. Check the Clarity adjustments on the destination image(s).

    Note: when selecting multiple destination images, please make sure you have enabled "Edit All Selected Variants" from the Image menu.
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  • rbbm
    Thank you Paul.

    The "The all-adjustments-on-clipboard-option" doesn´t work. All checkboxes are ticked but not all adjustments are transferred.
    This option would be my preferred option, as it copies all adjustments at once.

    The "The only-one-adjustment-on-clipboard-option" seems to work. That would mean I have to copy each adjustment which wasn´t transferred in the "all adjustments option" separate.

    Hope Phase One will fix this as it seems there is a bug, isn´t it?
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  • SFA
    Ralf,

    Are you using Styles at all?

    Are the values that do not seem to be changed still at the default settings for the tool or have they been previously changed by other editing activity?


    Grant
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  • Ken Barris
    I have the same problem with copying adjustments, and the advice above simply doesn't work. To make it worse I have sent two requests about this to Capture One, and not had a response yet. This is really hampering my workflow.

    Ken
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Thanks for the feedback. Are you guys on CO 20.0.1 (build 13.0.1.19)? And which version of macOS are you using?

    I hope that a maintenance update is due later this month and that a fix will be included for this. Keeping fingers crossed.
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  • rbbm
    Paul_Steunebrink wrote:
    Thanks for the feedback. Are you guys on CO 20.0.1 (build 13.0.1.19)? And which version of macOS are you using?


    I am using CO 20 (build 13.0.1.19 (5f83bad)) on a MacPro (2013) MacOS 10.14.6

    Thanks
    Ralf
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  • Ken Barris
    Hi Paul

    I'm on CO 20.0.1 (build 13.0.1.19), and Mac High Sierra 10.13.6.
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  • Ken Barris
    Hi Paul and Raf

    I've found that copy and paste adjustments works fine as long as I'm using no styles. The minute there is a style, it messes up the copy and paste function. This was never the case in previous versions.

    Ken
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    NN635424903858105200UL wrote:
    Hi Paul and Raf

    I've found that copy and paste adjustments works fine as long as I'm using no styles. The minute there is a style, it messes up the copy and paste function. This was never the case in previous versions.

    Ken

    Thanks Ken,

    I remember having read similar reports here. You can log a support case but I think that the message already has come through by now. 😉
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  • Mark Astle
    Same. It's to do with styles. And yes, it's seriously hampering workflow. As is the stupid doubling up of layers every time you copy and paste. Did they not test this with actual working photographers?
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  • SFA
    Mark492 wrote:
    Same. It's to do with styles. And yes, it's seriously hampering workflow. As is the stupid doubling up of layers every time you copy and paste. Did they not test this with actual working photographers?


    I think it was actual working photographers that requested not to replace existing layers in the first place.
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  • Mark Astle
    SFA wrote:
    Mark492 wrote:
    Same. It's to do with styles. And yes, it's seriously hampering workflow. As is the stupid doubling up of layers every time you copy and paste. Did they not test this with actual working photographers?


    I think it was actual working photographers that requested not to replace existing layers in the first place.



    You think? I can't see a logical use for it. Even if that's true, it would be nice to have the choice rather than fundamentally altering a behaviour that completely shafts a lot of people's workflow...
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  • Ian Leslie
    Yes. I am so much happier with the new way copying layers are handled. Because of the previous behaviour I literally never used it. It was way better to just create a new layer and re-implement the adjustments that I needed because I didn't want to loose my existing layers. I would much rather delete an extra layer here and there but have a useful layer copying ability.

    Clearly my workflow is different from yours. I totally support the notion that they can do better - copy selected layers, replace only those with the same name, replace or add as an option. I'm cool with some flavour of that but please, please, please do not try to convince them rip out a working feature that made the product better. For me. 😄
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  • Jason Leaman
    I've been trying to get a response to the adjustments copy and apply problems I've been having since 'upgrading' to 20.

    It's completely rendered my use of C1 20 as unworkable. I've even sent a screen capture video as requested but have since only received the dreaded standard email by return :

    800040:1m5a8z5d]Thank you for reaching out to us.

    In order to better understand what it is you would like to achieve, or what it is you are having difficulty achieving in Capture One, please provide us with a little more information about your workflow and general setup.

    It's important for us to know the following:

    - Which version of Capture One are you running? You can download the latest version here.
    - Are you using Mac OS or Windows?
    - Which camera manufacturer and model are you using?
    - Do you primarily work in catalogs or sessions?
    - Are your images placed on an internal or an external drive?

    Before checking these things out, it's important to ensure that your system meets the requirements needed in order to run Capture One. You can find these here.

    Once we have a better understanding of your workflow and what it is you wish to achieve in Capture One, we will do our best to assist further in order for you to have a smooth experience.    [1m5a8z5d]

    This is clearly a fatal bug which has something to do with Styles, as others have mentioned. My workflow is completely dead, unless I want to spend hours individually adjusting batches of wedding photographs, which I've never had to do in the 15 plus years I've been using Capture One.

    And the support is non existent.
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  • Mark Astle
    I got exactly the same response. Capture One is a batch processor and it’s been rendered useless with this update. Hoping the latest bug fix sorts it - has anyone tried yet?
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  • Jason Leaman
    Mark492 wrote:
    I got exactly the same response. Capture One is a batch processor and it’s been rendered useless with this update. Hoping the latest bug fix sorts it - has anyone tried yet?


    YES! I can Confirm that C1 20 (13.02.19) is still 'broken' when it comes to this issue.

    It's got nothing to do with layers as far as I can tell.
    It has something to do with user styles.
    This isn't the whole problem.
    The Problem is frustratingly random.

    Here is the problem:

    If I want to copy adjustments from one image and apply these adjustments to a batch or (or a single) image not all of the adjustments will be applied.
    All of the correct settings are set. All of the correct boxes are ticked.
    I have deleted all of my styles from C112 and re-created my base line styles that I use for universal import etc in C120. This has solved some of the problem, but not all of the adjustments will copy or apply. eg some of the composition tools and the vignetting tool for example. These have to be adjusted manually.
    The fun part is finding the tools that haven't applied to the new batch of images, and then figuring out a 'workflow' according to the forums. Hit rate = not that great.

    Capture ONE response to this and apparently a large number of support cases [according to this forum at least] is just about the worst I have experienced from Phase One since 2004. Automated replies asking the same questions, including what operating system I'm on etc. Then closing support cases down as their automation seems to suggest that the problem is solved by me answering these questions (more than once).

    Meanwhile C1 20 is an unusable brick for me and many others here. I'm usually one to broker the idea of problem solving by elimination, but my patience has just about run out.

    Instead of championing the software as I might usually find myself doing, I now conclude that Phase One/ Capture One have completely dropped the ball on this release, and truly exacerbated the balls up by side stepping the support cases as they come in. I'm just getting no response here. No "we're aware of the problem" no "we're working on it". I've send screen capture videos in to show the problem. I've written, emailed, and no response.

    You're right - Capture One is a batch Processor. Without that seemingly obvious functionality it's not only useless to me, but has completely screwed my workflow. After over 15 years of loyal usage, the unhelpful slamming of the door in my face has added insult to injury.

    In my opinion the release wasn't ready. They were too excited about cleverly changing the name from 12 to 20 in time for 2020 (How they didn't employ or find a way to leverage an 'X' in there is some surprise at this stage) and forgot about properly testing the actual software. The previous support system actually worked, and if a little slow occasionally at least gave you some indication that the problem was being dealt with without the infuriating automation that they've got so terribly wrong.
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  • Mark Astle
    Agree with everything you've written. How was this not picked up in testing - it's a pretty default workflow. I spotted it within about 10 seconds of using the new version. I've also been a long time user and advocate of C1 - this is a huge cock up by Phase One.
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  • Michael Tree
    I'm having the same problem I've noticed the Exposure Setting are not applied when doing the Shift Copy & Apply Function, and that includes the Metadata Rating - I never experienced this problem with Capture 12 - it has be an expensive upgrade and it's not working, and as mentioned by everybody else it's hampering my workflow - I tried to go back to Capture one 12, now it wants a new license from me - frustrating and time-wasting.
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  • SFA
    MTP1968 wrote:
    I tried to go back to Capture one 12, now it wants a new license from me - frustrating and time-wasting.


    Just reactivate V12 with your V20 license key.
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  • Michael Tree
    SFA wrote:
    MTP1968 wrote:
    I tried to go back to Capture one 12, now it wants a new license from me - frustrating and time-wasting.


    Just reactivate V12 with your V20 license key.


    Thank you for that bit of information, will do.
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  • Jason Leaman
    MTP1968 wrote:
    SFA wrote:
    MTP1968 wrote:
    I tried to go back to Capture one 12, now it wants a new license from me - frustrating and time-wasting.


    Just reactivate V12 with your V20 license key.


    Thank you for that bit of information, will do.


    This is what I have done and can confirm that it works.. Problem is that sessions can't be 'downgraded' and the obvious thing is C120 DOESN'T WORK!
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  • pixmania
    I miss the right click "copy and apply adjustments" from C1 10. No menu hunting.
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  • Michael Tree
    Yip, so I got the same standard response from Capture one like the rest of you, this was my response to Victor - (do you think Victor is a real person or a support BOT?)

    Hello Victor

    Thank you for replying, however, this response seems to be the standard response that so many of your supporters are complaining about on the Capture One Forums

    I’m not the only one complaining about this problem on Capture one, and surely your response can be more proactive considering that the complaint was made about Capture One Pro 20 on the original request, why must we repeat the same information again below. I also gave a detailed explanation of the problem, yet this is ignored considering the questions you are asking me to provide.

    Surely before I purchased Capture One 20 I would have checked if it was able to run on my Mac, so why even ask the question.

    Make an effort to view the complaints on the Capture One Forums by going to the following link

    https://forum.phaseone.com/En/viewforum.php?f=78

    Here is the original complaint on the forum concerning “adjustments party copiedâ€

    [The Capture One forum has migrated to a new platform, as a result all links to Capture One related postsstopped working and have been removed] concerning adjustments party copied

    So many users have logged the complaint to Capture One Support yet you continue to provide the same standard response, and not acknowledging that you are aware of the problem of this new release -


    Here are your answers for the other questions, how it's related to my problem and so many other users is baffling

    Are you using Mac OS or Windows - Mac
    Which camera manufacturer and model are you using - Canon 1DX
    Do you primarily work in catalogs or sessions - Catalogs
    Are your images placed on an internal or an external drive - Internal Drive

    Please direct me to your accounts department as I wish to cancel my order of Capture One 20 and receive a refund and return to Capture one 12 – that was working perfectly fine.
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  • NN636485238037665323UL
    Hi there,

    I also have the same problem mentioned above, the separate adjustments like exposure, highlights, levels, colours, etc. wont apply to already edited images with styles. Copying Lens adjustments and white balance works for some reason. If you copy all ticked adjustments, they will paste to a new picture but the picture must be completely unedited/untouched.
    I hope that this huge bug will be fixed very soon. I wish that I could come back to Capture One 12 but the backed up catalogue from 20 wont open on older version. Currently running Capture One trial 13.0.2.19 on macOS Mojave 10.14.6.

    Thanks,
    Filip
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  • ed turlington
    same problem here. sometimes global Copy & Paste works, sometimes not. not sure what the variable is that determines when it does/does not
    CO 20 on Mac catalina
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  • Mark Astle
    An update on this. The distortion tool is REALLY broken. And I think it's one of the chief issues with copy/pasting adjustments. Styles seem to be an issue too, as others have suggested. But I've been experimenting, and if I try to copy/paste with lens distortion applied, it randomly misses/alters things during the copy/paste. With zero distortion applied, it seems to apply the adjustments as it should.

    Also, even if you then apply the distortion manually, by typing in the distortion amount, each image does its own thing - they don't match. Distortion also seems to be doing something different with my lens profile than is used to.

    Hopefully this helps to narrow it down. If anyone's actually working on it.

    Short version - the new version of C1 is almost unusable if you batch process.
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Mark492 wrote:
    An update on this. The distortion tool is REALLY broken.

    Just to make sure I understand you properly, the distortion tool..., do you perhaps mean the lens correction tool?
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  • Mark Astle
    Yes. But the distortion part of it. It doesn’t seem to copy across properly. And it definitely acts differently, with the same lens profile, to the previous version.
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