macos 10.15.3
Any experience with the today release of apples mac osx update?
In the latest c1 release notes, 10.15.1 ist the latest supported version - is this right?
In the latest c1 release notes, 10.15.1 ist the latest supported version - is this right?
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What are you looking to do? Upgrade?
I'd avoid if you're concerned about potential tethering/access issues. 10.15.2 introduced hell for C1.
At the end of the day you're stuck between a rock and a hard place. Upgrade your internet enabled operating system to ensure you're up to date with all security patches...
...And risk destroying the ability to work anymore.
Advice is to hold off, but if security is your priority...0 -
ChristianVolk wrote:
Any experience with the today release of apples mac osx update?
In the latest c1 release notes, 10.15.1 ist the latest supported version - is this right?
It indeed officially only supports 10.15.1. I asked on Facebook where they announced 20.0.0.2 and got that confirmed together with the statement that they’re working hard on officially supporting 10.15.2. Quite behind the curve, so to say.0 -
This is very annoying to hear Emile.
I'am using C1 for many years now and phaseone struggles so many time with os problems under mac os.
Come on guys - it's not acceptable living with unpatched security gaps today.
It 's a question of setting priorities right for a software company.
Apples developers program offers betas for testing your code thoroughly. Maybe sometimes they changed something shortley befor release, but honestly, how probable is it, that this change will affects base functions of C1?
From my point of view, phaseone didn't do a good job in testing their software.
But it's never too late to improve bad processes 😉
Now again - did someone still test the new macos release with the actual c1 release?
Mayber we can collect experience in this thread?0 -
Emile wrote:
ChristianVolk wrote:
It indeed officially only supports 10.15.1. I asked on Facebook where they announced 20.0.0.2 and got that confirmed together with the statement that they’re working hard on officially supporting 10.15.2. Quite behind the curve, so to say.
Yup. FWIW Captue One seems to be running fine on 10.15.3. Haven't done much with it yet, though.
Unlike those in the "don't upgrade" camp I tend to upgrade soonest. Why? The fixes address known security issues. Examples of things fixed in 10.15.3:
* Impact: A remote attacker may be able to cause unexpected application termination or arbitrary code execution
* Impact: An application may be able to execute arbitrary code with system privileges (Audio System)
* Impact: An application may be able to execute arbitrary code with system privileges (Intel Graphics Driver)
* Impact: Loading a maliciously crafted racoon configuration file may lead to arbitrary code execution
* Impact: An application may be able to read restricted memory
* Impact: A remote attacker may be able to cause unexpected system termination or corrupt kernel memory
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ChristianVolk wrote:
Apples developers program offers betas for testing your code thoroughly. Maybe sometimes they changed something shortley befor release, but honestly, how probable is it, that this change will affects base functions of C1?
Several times, it happened that for example tethering has been broken due to a change in the macOS release update, which was not in the betas. You could call tethering a base function of Capture One.
So, yes, 10.15.2 support would have been nice today, but 10.15.3 was released yesterday. That is a bit early to expect its support today, I think. But if you like to try, please do and let us know. I am an early adopter with Capture One and accept the risks that come with it. A kind of eat your own dog food attitude.0 -
Several times, it happened that for example tethering has been broken due to a change in the macOS release update, which was not in the betas. You could call tethering a base function of Capture One.
You are absolutly right Paul - for many users, also for myself, tethering is a keyfeature. The more important it is, that it still works after an macos update. Tethering uses the USB-protocol - for me it's hard to believe, that apple broke these core-feature with so many os-releases. Do you have some technical details about these issues?So, yes, 10.15.2 support would have been nice today, but 10.15.3 was released yesterday. That is a bit early to expect its support today, I think. But if you like to try, please do and let us know. I am an early adopter with Capture One and accept the risks that come with it. A kind of eat your own dog food attitude.
Tethering under 10.15.2 and 20.0.2 is working well for me - maybe you have a list of known issues, that prevent phaseone, from giving it free? When I find some time on the weekend, I'll test 10.15.3 with my imac that is still on it.0 -
marchyman wrote:
Emile wrote:
ChristianVolk wrote:
It indeed officially only supports 10.15.1. I asked on Facebook where they announced 20.0.0.2 and got that confirmed together with the statement that they’re working hard on officially supporting 10.15.2. Quite behind the curve, so to say.
Yup. FWIW Captue One seems to be running fine on 10.15.3. Haven't done much with it yet, though.
Unlike those in the "don't upgrade" camp I tend to upgrade soonest. Why? The fixes address known security issues. Examples of things fixed in 10.15.3:
* Impact: A remote attacker may be able to cause unexpected application termination or arbitrary code execution
* Impact: An application may be able to execute arbitrary code with system privileges (Audio System)
* Impact: An application may be able to execute arbitrary code with system privileges (Intel Graphics Driver)
* Impact: Loading a maliciously crafted racoon configuration file may lead to arbitrary code execution
* Impact: An application may be able to read restricted memory
* Impact: A remote attacker may be able to cause unexpected system termination or corrupt kernel memory
Etc, etc.
Precisely. Security Patches are no longer a 'it would be nice' upgrade. It's a matter of basic safety and an absolute requirement if you're operating with an internet connection and an NDA up your arse.
I'd rather adopt new software and change my workflow than be cornered into stasis based on poor development timelines.
It's always very easy to blame the big apple.0 -
ChristianVolk wrote:
Several times, it happened that for example tethering has been broken due to a change in the macOS release update, which was not in the betas. You could call tethering a base function of Capture One.
You are absolutly right Paul - for many users, also for myself, tethering is a keyfeature. The more important it is, that it still works after an macos update. Tethering uses the USB-protocol - for me it's hard to believe, that apple broke these core-feature with so many os-releases. Do you have some technical details about these issues?]
Yes. I caught this back in August and was surprised it didn't percolate through the internet. See here: shorturl.at/dCMNO
Also see here: https://research.checkpoint.com/2019/say-cheese-ransomware-ing-a-dslr-camera/
So the basic premise is, PTP is/was broken. See here: https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=PTP
The likelihood of a camera/surface attack is very low as it isn't connected to the internet. Except, when you tether -- or have a wifi/bluetooth enabled camera. Things get very sticky.
So instead of relying on every single camera manufacturer and every single camera owner to upgrade their firmware on their cameras -- Apple have taken it upon themselves (as part of an already heavy on going attempt at turning OSX into one big sandbox) and patched/moved these commands to a sandboxed environment that requires special privilges (Photos Access, Full Disk Acccess, ETC).
This isn't new, it's been happening since 10.15 released. But Apple cannot and will not comment on security issues until they have been appropriately patched and released. So there are no discussions to be had with Apple about 'why this doesn't work'. Figure it out.
10.15.2 had many betas before release. The broken tethering issue would've been caught and patched and fixed and released before 10.15.2 went public... had these beta's been thoroughly tested by Capture One.0 -
Some critical bugs were closed with 10.15.3
Here is a list of the security issues:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210919
Fot our german readers:
https://www.heise.de/mac-and-i/meldung/macOS-10-15-3-watchOS-6-1-2-und-tvOS-13-3-1-kommen-mit-Fixes-und-Neuerungen-4647752.html0 -
macos 10.15.3 update fixes the connection of cameras in Catalina 0 -
ChristianVolk wrote:
Any experience with the today release of apples mac osx update?
In the latest c1 release notes, 10.15.1 ist the latest supported version - is this right?
Admittedly not a C1 issue, but potentially of interest to many C1 users: I lost my ethernet connection to my Epson P800, and can only airprint.
It might be worth holding off if that could impact on you.0 -
I've discovred that sticking with Apple's previous year's OS is a much smoother ride than always taking the latest release.
Apple doesn’t provide a written statement that guarantees how long it will support each release of macOS with security updates. However, Apple does have a strategy which they have applied consistently for may years, even though they don’t describe it publicly. Apple updates the last three versions of macOSâ€"the current release of macOS and the last two releasesâ€"with security updates.
Currently I'm on 10.14.6, and I received the security updates released Jan28 for 10.13.6, 10.14.6, and 10.15.2. The 10.15 users are now at 10.15.3 - but I'm still at 10.14.6 and security updates didn't change any OS functions as far as I could tell.
Until September 2019 I was on 10.12.6 - receiving regular security updates. When 10.15 was released, I assumed that Apple would quit making 10.12 security updates - which did happen - and I upgraded to 10.14.6.
This strategy also removes any dependency on Capture One supporting Apple's latest OS changes.
I know that it is really difficult to downgrade your MACos version, but perhaps this will provide some food for thought for next year's upgrade cycle.0 -
ShaneB wrote:
ChristianVolk wrote:
Any experience with the today release of apples mac osx update?
In the latest c1 release notes, 10.15.1 ist the latest supported version - is this right?
Admittedly not a C1 issue, but potentially of interest to many C1 users: I lost my ethernet connection to my Epson P800, and can only airprint.
It might be worth holding off if that could impact on you.
Shane,
Your comment brought to mind some frequent tales of woe from the late 00's when, reportedly, every time there was a new OS release or notable update for Macs, Epson printer owners found their printer driver no longer worked as expected and it typically took several months for an amended driver to appear. As I recall it was also to some extent the case for Windows users as well but usually with a shorter resolution time.
It would be disappointing to think that such a situation was to be repeated a decade or more later.
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paolo111 wrote:
Thanks for your reply Eric, I’ll consider this. I do the same as you with OS but the new MBP came with Catalina already in: since I already installed everything I’m trying to solve this issue before to surrender and downgrade
@paolo Since your new MBP came with Catalina you very likely cannot downgrade and I don’t recommend you try.Usually a new machine firmware is configured so that the minimum OS version is the version shipped with the machine.
Additionally, downgrading is tricky and you risk loosing content that you have created in the new version.
My thinking in writing my post was NOT to encourage anyone to downgrade, but rather to exercise more caution and delay in future upgrades.0 -
marchyman wrote:
Yup. FWIW Captue One seems to be running fine on 10.15.3. Haven't done much with it yet, though.
Hi marchyman,
Have you done any more with Capture One on macOS 10.15.3? A full day of tethered shooting, perhaps? Which version of Capture One are you running?
Cheers,
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Hi All
I am new to Capture One and have been working for weeks to get it to connect to my camera. Is it simply not possible?
OSX 10.15.3
Capture one 20 ( for Sony)
Sony a7riii
I bought the software and I subscribed. Twice. And got a membership to Massage Envy after so much untethered shooting.
I uninstalled and reinstalled CI many times. Please help?
Thanks!
Ellie
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