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RAW color applied to jpg

LarryW
I import to my computer from another program and apply ratings, color labels, etc. I shoot RAW and jpg. I then go to Capture One 2020 and synchronize. All my jpgs show the same color as the RAW even though the jpg is marked a different color.

I've reported this since v11 but nothing has been done. Anyone have a workaround or setting that could fix it in 20?
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  • Keith Reeder
    Not sure what you mean by "Raw colour" - Raw files have no inherent colour (or anything else) until they're converted into an image file format.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    LarryW wrote:
    I import to my computer from another program and apply ratings, color labels, etc. I shoot RAW and jpg. I then go to Capture One 2020 and synchronize. All my jpgs show the same color as the RAW even though the jpg is marked a different color.

    I've reported this since v11 but nothing has been done. Anyone have a workaround or setting that could fix it in 20?


    How does that program manage ratings and labels? I mean, where does it write them?

    With the few info you're providing I'm gonna go out on a limb here. The only thing I can think of is that you don't rename files or give the same name to every couple of Raw+Jpeg. Probably the program creates XMP files for Raws and maybe embed metadata into Jpegs. In this case Capture One could apply what he finds in the XMP files to all the images with the same name. If I guessed something right, just for a test, have you tried renaming them in a different way? And have you tried reloading Jpegs metadata after setting CO preferences to load embedded data instead of XMP files?

    Also, to understand, what's the purpose of labelling raw and jpegs with different colors and to import jpegs in CO?
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  • LarryW
    May a little more detail is in order.

    When I import my RAW+jpg using my DAM I will then sometimes apply color labels (as an example, Yellow) to the RAW files I want to process. Normally I don't apply color labels to jpg except when I want to use for another purpose or easy comparisons.

    Example 1.
    I assign color Yellow to my 1.raw file but no color assigned to 1.jpg in my DAM
    In CO I synchronize the folder with the files. In CO both 1.raw and 1.jpg are displayed with Yellow color tag.

    Example 2.
    I go back to DAM and change 1.jpg to Green and then return to CO. Both are still Yellow. I've tried Load metadata but that doesn't work.

    Example 3.
    I change color tag in my DAM to None but no changes shown in CO and if I assign color tag to 1.jpg (say Green) and then read metadata in my DAM the DAM changes to green. If I change to to Yellow in my DAM both the 1.raw and 1.jpg show only Yellow although I had assigned Green in CO.

    CO must tie color tags to only the RAW? If makes a difference I use a catalog and not sessions.

    At first I thought it was that my DAM and CO didn't use the same xmp color tag points but since I can make change back and forth I think they do.
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  • Ian Wilson
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    Try going to Preferences, and on the Image tab look in the Metadata section and check the setting for Auto Sync Sidecar XMP. Try setting that to None and see whether the problem persists. If you want Capture One to pick up tags etc from the XMP files, experiment with the settings in the check boxes just below that.

    Ian
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  • Permanently deleted user
    LarryW wrote:


    Example 1.
    I assign color Yellow to my 1.raw file but no color assigned to 1.jpg in my DAM
    In CO I synchronize the folder with the files. In CO both 1.raw and 1.jpg are displayed with Yellow color tag.



    I keep thinking that's because CO compares the XMP name with that of the image and assigns the same label to both because they have the same name. That's why I asked you to rename one of the two.

    LarryW wrote:
    Example 2.
    I go back to DAM and change 1.jpg to Green and then return to CO. Both are still Yellow. I've tried Load metadata but that doesn't work.


    Again, XMP file is one, probably your DAM embeds metadata into Jpegs or keep them in an internal cache. I don't know. You need to see how it is set in its own preferences and dig its behavior. But the fact remains that eventually two same-named files will share the XMP file and settings too. I think in most cases that's what is expected for Raw+Jpg couple.

    LarryW wrote:
    Example 3.
    I change color tag in my DAM to None but no changes shown in CO and if I assign color tag to 1.jpg (say Green) and then read metadata in my DAM the DAM changes to green. If I change to to Yellow in my DAM both the 1.raw and 1.jpg show only Yellow although I had assigned Green in CO.


    I use Media Pro SE, which was released by Phase One too (even though it was a little more than a cosmetic surgery on Expression Media 2) and nevertheless I experienced inconsistencies and unreliability over label syncing between this and Capture One especially when setting None in my DAM. After some "ping pong" labelling, color changes did not sync anymore and every program started applying its own label even though XMP was properly written and had a specific color tag inside.

    I would suggest you append something (like a simple "j" for example) to Jpeg filenames and see what happens.
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  • LarryW
    Thanks all for your suggestions.

    I did find that changing the name of the jpg did affect the color tag in CO. I renamed a jpg and cleared the color tag in my DAM and that change was reflected. I would like to think that certain standards such as color tags would be used by all processing software. I know it's not and CO isn't unique in that regard.

    While not a major issue I find it inconvenient. When the file name are the same but only the RAW is color tagged, filters show all RAW+jpg with same name as same color. IE, 9 RAW have Red but Filters shows 18 although the jpg isn't color tagged. Filtering to exclude all jpgs does not affect the Red count.

    I'm probably "tilting at windmills". (American? saying).
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  • P.C. Stokman
    It's an English expression and refers to Cervantes' Don Quixote. (Spanish) who thought the windmill's were giants and wanted to fight them.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Quixote#Tilting_at_windmills
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  • Permanently deleted user
    LarryW wrote:

    I would like to think that certain standards such as color tags would be used by all processing software. I know it's not and CO isn't unique in that regard.


    Maybe I'm not understanding exactly what you mean.
    I mean, color tags are not a standard because different programs can have different colors and a different number of tags too (Media Pro has more than Capture One and one or two don't even match) but regarding your issue (that I wouldn't even call an issue), flip it around. You can have different file types with the same filename but not two files of the same type with the same name. So you can't have two XMP files, from two different file types, if they share the name. It's obvious OS limitation, not a programs' fault, if they don't work as you want. They could only if you embed metadata into files and set both programs to read from them leaving out Xmp files.
    So

    LarryW wrote:
    I'm probably "tilting at windmills". (American? saying).


    I'm afraid yes.
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