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Token for Nikon's "Shutter Count"

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  • SFA
    In what function do you wish to insert this count?
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  • Pavel Voronenko
    SFA wrote:
    In what function do you wish to insert this count?

    When I shoot with one camera, my typical file name structure is YYYYMMDD-XXXXX, where
    YYYYMMDD - is date
    XXXXX - is Shutter Count
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  • SFA
    diver1 wrote:
    SFA wrote:
    In what function do you wish to insert this count?

    When I shoot with one camera, my typical file name structure is YYYYMMDD-XXXXX, where
    YYYYMMDD - is date
    XXXXX - is Shutter Count


    So the function you need to influence is Import?

    And you wish to use the camera allocated number from the file name but not the rest of the name?

    If so, no, currently there is no way to do that at import. However you could, most likely, use the Batch Rename facility to eliminate or otherwise change the name of the imported files after import.

    HTH.


    Grant
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  • Pavel Voronenko
    Mostly, not for import. I need it for Tethering. To get the names during the shoot.

    Not really critical for import as I use sessions for the commercial work
    And, if I shoot to the card (not tethered) I use iMatch as the DAM software - it allows me to add some information to the images as well (Geo tags, for example). iMatch lets me to rename images as I prefer.

    Now I have to after shoot go through iMatvh and re-create the session to keep naming consistent

    SFA wrote:
    diver1 wrote:
    SFA wrote:
    In what function do you wish to insert this count?

    When I shoot with one camera, my typical file name structure is YYYYMMDD-XXXXX, where
    YYYYMMDD - is date
    XXXXX - is Shutter Count


    So the function you need to influence is Import?

    And you wish to use the camera allocated number from the file name but not the rest of the name?

    If so, no, currently there is no way to do that at import. However you could, most likely, use the Batch Rename facility to eliminate or otherwise change the name of the imported files after import.

    HTH.


    Grant
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  • Pavel Voronenko
    P.S. I waited for Media Pro integration with C1 since totally moved to C1 v8. Media Pro is dead but we could not have their functionality in C1... Maybe one day letter... 😭
    SFA wrote:
    diver1 wrote:
    SFA wrote:
    In what function do you wish to insert this count?

    When I shoot with one camera, my typical file name structure is YYYYMMDD-XXXXX, where
    YYYYMMDD - is date
    XXXXX - is Shutter Count


    So the function you need to influence is Import?

    And you wish to use the camera allocated number from the file name but not the rest of the name?

    If so, no, currently there is no way to do that at import. However you could, most likely, use the Batch Rename facility to eliminate or otherwise change the name of the imported files after import.

    HTH.


    Grant
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  • cdc
    There isn't a token for the camera created shutter counter. You can use the 4 digit counter and set the counter to match the camera shutter count if that is necessary, or just start it at 0001 if it is not. Alternatively after the shoot you can use the Find and Replace function of the batch rename tool and remove the _DSC portion of the filename so only the shutter count remains.
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  • OddS.
    cdc wrote:
    There isn't a token for the camera created shutter counter. You can use the 4 digit counter and set the counter to match the camera shutter count if that is necessary...


    The 4 digit counter used in the file name is not the shutter count for at least two reasons:

    - the file count can be reset to 0000 by the user, in the camera or in the computer, the shutter count can not
    - the 4 digit file count automatically wraps to 0000, the shutter count keeps incrementing to 5 digits and more

    The shutter count is available in image files from a Nikon DSLR (in EXIF Maker note if I remember correctly). Alas, the shutter count may not be easily available in image files from all cameras. Thus, depending on the camera, it may not always be possible to include the shutter count in a filename. But diver1 probably knew that when selecting the file naming regime.
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  • cdc
    I assumed diver1's use of "Shutter Count" was referring to the number in the file name, 0001 of _DSC0001 for example, not the overall shutter count of the camera.
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  • Pavel Voronenko
    cdc wrote:
    I assumed diver1's use of "Shutter Count" was referring to the number in the file name, 0001 of _DSC0001 for example, not the overall shutter count of the camera.

    No. I use the Shutter Count number form EXIF.
    And, yes, different models hs different parameter for this information. And some models do not open this numbers at all.

    Just an example:
    https://photographylife.com/how-to-find ... anon-dslrs
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  • SFA
    diver1 wrote:
    cdc wrote:
    I assumed diver1's use of "Shutter Count" was referring to the number in the file name, 0001 of _DSC0001 for example, not the overall shutter count of the camera.

    No. I use the Shutter Count number form EXIF.
    And, yes, different models hs different parameter for this information. And some models do not open this numbers at all.

    Just an example:
    https://photographylife.com/how-to-find ... anon-dslrs


    I don't think that this count is readily available on all cameras. Indeed on many it is not available at all other than to the official service centres.

    I'm not really sure how useful it is anyway. It may be nice for the manufacturers to know how well their shutters last for QC purposes but it's not really of any significance for anything else as far as I can see.

    Can I ask why you are so keen to use it?
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  • Pavel Voronenko
    When I moved from film to digital, from Canon to Nikon & Fujifilm, I had to come up with the system
    With Nikon I can get this information from the EXIF, so I started to use it. Also, it is visually when I have to service the camera... for sure, I can check the latest number on the computer and start the session form that. Not really convenient way...

    As I typically HH:MM to the file name if I use more, than one camera per shoot, it is easy to visually know from which of cameras the image is.

    SFA wrote:
    diver1 wrote:
    cdc wrote:
    I assumed diver1's use of "Shutter Count" was referring to the number in the file name, 0001 of _DSC0001 for example, not the overall shutter count of the camera.

    No. I use the Shutter Count number form EXIF.
    And, yes, different models hs different parameter for this information. And some models do not open this numbers at all.

    Just an example:
    https://photographylife.com/how-to-find ... anon-dslrs


    I don't think that this count is readily available on all cameras. Indeed on many it is not available at all other than to the official service centres.

    I'm not really sure how useful it is anyway. It may be nice for the manufacturers to know how well their shutters last for QC purposes but it's not really of any significance for anything else as far as I can see.

    Can I ask why you are so keen to use it?
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  • OddS.
    Looking at the information provided in your posts, it appears to me that

    1) You only need C1 to put the shutter count in the filename when you shoot tethered
    2) You always use a C1 Session when tethered

    diver1 wrote:
    ....Also, it is visually when I have to service the camera


    You want the shutter count in the filename to keep track when to service the camera, like a mileage counter in a car. The shutter count is an obvious solution for that purpose. I only check the shutter count on my cameras occasionally myself, and I never considered it for filenames.

    It is quite common for image filenames to include a sequence number of some sort. The shutter count is as good as any.

    diver1 wrote:
    As I typically HH:MM to the file name if I use more, than one camera per shoot, it is easy to visually know from which of cameras the image is.


    4) You want the shutter count in the filename to know what camera produced the image

    I would probably prefer a static camera id, like the camera maker or model (token in C1). Multiple same model cameras could call for the serial number (token in C1) as well. For Nikons I would probably replace (in the camera setup) the _DSC or DSC_part of the filename with a camera specific code and leave it at that.

    diver1 wrote:
    I can check the latest number on the computer and start the session form that. Not really convenient way.


    Inconvenient and error prone, I would look for an alternative workaround.

    You already have an application (iMatch) that can read the shutter count from captured image files on disk and rename the files. If not, such applications do exist.

    Renaming files behind C1's back is generally a bad idea. It may be better to shoot tethered to a temporary session. After session, rename the files, copy them to a permanent session and delete the temporary session. If your software can copy and rename on the fly, the filenames will not change in the temporary session. C1 will see the renamed files in the permanent session as if they arrived with their "correct" filename.

    A different and possibly better approach is to use an application (iMatch?) that can read shutter count from the image EXIF and write the shutter count to a metadata field that C1 does have a token for. If not, such applications do exist.
    Then use C1 to rename the files using the selected token that now holds a copy of the shutter count or possibly the full file name. No need to copy files or delete a temporary session. If you can not find a suitable unused metadata field to hold a copy of the shutter count value for a tokenized rename, consider an already used field temporarily and restore it after renaming. Copyright may be one option. Do the renaming and put back your copyright notice as a final step in C1.

    Let's hope other users chime in with better ideas 😊
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  • Pavel Voronenko
    Thank you for your time and suggestions.
    There are few different ways to get the result with names. And have some workflow I follow since I started to use to digital cameras.
    My biggest question and concern, that it's looks very easy for Phase One to add tokens to read Shutter Count information. As we know, Capture one work with RAW from particular models, where they have the ability to get information from camera EXIFs
    If I can do it with Exiftool, the can do it as well through the protocols and information provided by Camera manufacturers.

    If I can get it in Capture One, I'll minimize steps in my Workflow and save some time.
    Also, I'm still waiting when C1 will have some DAM functions so I can move from the WIndows-only based iMatch.


    P.S. Photools iMatch is a very good solution, but...
    - it based on Windows platform only (I'm 75% on Mac and 25% Windows)
    - development and support on ONE person...

    OddS wrote:
    Looking at the information provided in your posts, it appears to me that

    1) You only need C1 to put the shutter count in the filename when you shoot tethered
    2) You always use a C1 Session when tethered

    diver1 wrote:
    ....Also, it is visually when I have to service the camera


    You want the shutter count in the filename to keep track when to service the camera, like a mileage counter in a car. The shutter count is an obvious solution for that purpose. I only check the shutter count on my cameras occasionally myself, and I never considered it for filenames.

    It is quite common for image filenames to include a sequence number of some sort. The shutter count is as good as any.

    diver1 wrote:
    As I typically HH:MM to the file name if I use more, than one camera per shoot, it is easy to visually know from which of cameras the image is.


    4) You want the shutter count in the filename to know what camera produced the image

    I would probably prefer a static camera id, like the camera maker or model (token in C1). Multiple same model cameras could call for the serial number (token in C1) as well. For Nikons I would probably replace (in the camera setup) the _DSC or DSC_part of the filename with a camera specific code and leave it at that.

    diver1 wrote:
    I can check the latest number on the computer and start the session form that. Not really convenient way.


    Inconvenient and error prone, I would look for an alternative workaround.

    You already have an application (iMatch) that can read the shutter count from captured image files on disk and rename the files. If not, such applications do exist.

    Renaming files behind C1's back is generally a bad idea. It may be better to shoot tethered to a temporary session. After session, rename the files, copy them to a permanent session and delete the temporary session. If your software can copy and rename on the fly, the filenames will not change in the temporary session. C1 will see the renamed files in the permanent session as if they arrived with their "correct" filename.

    A different and possibly better approach is to use an application (iMatch?) that can read shutter count from the image EXIF and write the shutter count to a metadata field that C1 does have a token for. If not, such applications do exist.
    Then use C1 to rename the files using the selected token that now holds a copy of the shutter count or possibly the full file name. No need to copy files or delete a temporary session. If you can not find a suitable unused metadata field to hold a copy of the shutter count value for a tokenized rename, consider an already used field temporarily and restore it after renaming. Copyright may be one option. Do the renaming and put back your copyright notice as a final step in C1.

    Let's hope other users chime in with better ideas 😊
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  • SFA
    I know nothing about Nikon other than what I read here.

    Sony and now Fuji seem to have some sort of business relationship with Phase to if they are willing to make the absolute shutter count (of a shutter in a body where such a thing exists) available then presumably, if they are willing to make the shutter count data available, it could be used.

    So far as I know the older Canon cameras I have may have the count information available but do not make it available. One cannot use a web based service to discover the actual shutter count of a large number of Canon cameras although for some you can. So it seems it is not being revealed for many of those bodies.

    That suggests the naming convention might be some way from being useful as a persistent long term approach across all possible camera upgrades of manufacturer changes.

    If a shutter is replaced at some point (assuming Pro levels of camera usage) is the shutter count reset? If a duplicate count numbering resulted - would it matter?

    Just some thoughts perhaps more pertinent for the wider audience.


    Grant
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  • OddS.
    SFA wrote:
    ...If a shutter is replaced at some point (assuming Pro levels of camera usage) is the shutter count reset?


    Good question. I don't know for sure that the shutter count is not reset, but that is my understanding from posts at other sites. I remember one poster was quite annoyed as the camera was to be put on sale. I believe the camera owner received a signed service report stating something like "Camera C, model M, serial number S, shutter replaced on date yyyy-mm-dd at shutter count N".

    For all I know, counter reset or not may vary from one camera brand to the next or even from one service technician to the next.
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  • cdc
    Nikon did not reset the shutter count when they replaced my shutter assembly.
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