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Is C1 20 really worth upgrading from C1 12 ?

Ivo Sedlacek
Very recently I bought C1 12 and now again C1 comes with a new upgrade - letting the customers to waste another money (if they waited at V11, would be strangely much cheaper for them). Coming with a new version is such a short term is a bit not so considerate ...

Anyway - is there something really unique, new, better and worth to upgrade or not really ?
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  • Keith Reeder
    Nobody can answer that question for you. That's why you're allowed to test before you buy.

    But - obviously - those of us who have upgraded have thought it worthwhile to do so.
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  • SFA
    In reality only you can judge that.

    Why not download the trial and see what you think?

    Or maybe have a look at the release notes as a starting point and perhaps some of the videos that demonstrate what has been added and enhanced.

    I delayed upgrading from V11 to V12 for a few months for a number of reasons but V20 added enough enhancement of interest to me to tempt me to upgrade at the start of the version's cycle.

    I know many others felt the same way, but also some did not. It's quite a personal choice - but at least you can have access to the software for 30 days trial while you check for yourself.

    If you are using Mac and have Catalina installed it may be worth waiting a short while as there seem to be some late developing technical concerns with some OS/Hardware/Firmware/Application software configurations. Not all systems but a few combinations seem to be more problematic than others.

    Windows 10 may be showing a few issues as well but judging by forum comments (or lack of them) things are mostly OK.

    I run Windows 7 and have seen just a couple of minor, mainly cosmetic issues that I suspect are more system related than C1 related. One of them suddenly appeared in V12 at the same time.


    HTH.


    Grant
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  • Ivo Sedlacek
    Keith Reeder wrote:
    Nobody can answer that question for you. That's why you're allowed to test before you buy.

    But - obviously - those of us who have upgraded have thought it worthwhile to do so.


    I tried quickly ... It upgraded the catalogue and now I can't open it in 12...
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  • Ian Wilson
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    isjn wrote:
    Keith Reeder wrote:
    Nobody can answer that question for you. That's why you're allowed to test before you buy.

    But - obviously - those of us who have upgraded have thought it worthwhile to do so.


    I tried quickly ... It upgraded the catalogue and now I can't open it in 12...

    But it will have made a backup of the v12 catalog, which you can revert to.

    Ian
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  • Clau_S
    Ian3 wrote:
    isjn wrote:


    I tried quickly ... It upgraded the catalogue and now I can't open it in 12...

    But it will have made a backup of the v12 catalog, which you can revert to.

    Ian



    Also, generally speaking and in my opinion, it's a very bad practice to test a trial version on the real collection, especially if you're not really willing to upgrade. It's better to have a test folder with the backup of one or two sessions or part of your catalog and use these separately. Should you decide to upgrade you can always bring them back in the collection (if you don't want to lose your work), otherwise you keep your archive clean and free from any unwanted file and any kind of problem.
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  • Ivo Sedlacek
    I think it is quite unfair and improper from the manufacturer to release two new versions in such a short time span. One would think that a new version is a result of a proper development and would last for a reasonable period of time. But to make some haste version, let people pay 160 EUR or more and then shortly come with another version, asking the customers to pay again again is quite strange. Maybe in March they will come with another version, in May too etc. ? Not really fair ...
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  • SFA
    isjn wrote:
    I think it is quite unfair and improper from the manufacturer to release two new versions in such a short time span. One would think that a new version is a result of a proper development and would last for a reasonable period of time. But to make some haste version, let people pay 160 EUR or more and then shortly come with another version, asking the customers to pay again again is quite strange. Maybe in March they will come with another version, in May too etc. ? Not really fair ...



    What?

    Is version 21 out already?
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  • Clau_S
    isjn wrote:
    I think it is quite unfair and improper from the manufacturer to release two new versions in such a short time span. One would think that a new version is a result of a proper development and would last for a reasonable period of time. But to make some haste version, let people pay 160 EUR or more and then shortly come with another version, asking the customers to pay again again is quite strange. Maybe in March they will come with another version, in May too etc. ? Not really fair ...


    Do you have an idea when v12 had been released?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_One

    With the exception of upgrades from 6 to 7 and from 7 to 8, Phase one has always released one upgrade per year at least since v4. Many companies do the same.
    You're free to skip some versions if you don't think it's reasonable to pay so much for an upgrade but consider that it's easy to take advantage of offers and that one year of subscription is way more expensive than that and you remain with nothing if you stop paying..
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  • NNN637147584376055266
    isjn wrote:
    Very recently I bought C1 12 and now again C1 comes with a new upgrade - letting the customers to waste another money (if they waited at V11, would be strangely much cheaper for them). Coming with a new version is such a short term is a bit not so considerate ...

    Anyway - is there something really unique, new, better and worth to upgrade or not really ?

    i got the upgrade primarily for two features: 1) the ability to selectively copy layers 2) the whites and blacks sliders

    the other enhancements were icing on the cake

    true, there aren’t a ton of new features but these are worth my while
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  • Grant Hodgeon
    No
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  • Keith Reeder
    photoGrant wrote:
    No

    Wrong answer.

    Thanks for playing, though.
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  • Grant Hodgeon
    Keith Reeder wrote:
    photoGrant wrote:
    No

    Wrong answer.

    Thanks for playing, though.


    Ah, I see Keith. This was a question about your authoritative answer, not about an opinion. Got it.

    Thanks for trolling, though.
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  • C-M-B
    With previous versions it was much easier to say "yes" or "no", but 20 does not have a lot of features compared to v12.

    If they had implemented things like focus stacking or HDR stacking or improved the performance or done away with the re-indexing when opening a session/catalog and improved the performance on NAS drives - then it would be a clear "yes".

    However with all those things still missing in 2020 and many bugs still around I'd say it's not worth it.
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  • SFA
    It's a funny old world.

    V11 and V12 did not tempt me towards becoming an early adopter because, despite having a sufficient number of visible new features, many of them were of no relevance to me.

    V20, on the other hand, made more sense despite only upgrading to V12 6 months earlier.

    That said I think the OP would probably be better off reverting to their V12 back up catalog and staying with that for a while before testing on a copy of the catalog at some later point in the year if they find that they wish to revisit their options.

    I am, of course, assuming that it will still be possible to re-run trials at full dot release points.



    Grant
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  • Keith Reeder
    photoGrant wrote:
    Ah, I see Keith. This was a question about your authoritative answer, not about an opinion. Got it.

    Your opinion - forcefully stated as it was (as a fact, in fact) - is worth precisely as much as mine.

    Which is to say, worth nothing to the OP.

    Is everything in your world so binary?

    And do you not see the irony in your criticism of my comment, given that what you've described me doing is exactly what you did?

    Oh, and are all people from "Mid West" (what and wherever that might be - every country has a "mid west", but only one country seems to think it's unique in that regard) really so humourless?
    Thanks for trolling, though.

    Unlike your crass, blunt, monosyllabic, self-opinionated, flamebaiting, completely unhelpful "contribution" to the conversation, eh?
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  • Keith Reeder
    C-M-B wrote:
    With previous versions it was much easier to say "yes" or "no", but 20 does not have a lot of features compared to v12.

    It has more features than 12.

    But it isn't only about new toys, anyway. It's about quality improvements in existing tools too - and in that regard, 20 is a significant improvement for some of us.

    It got me back into the Capture One fold, having not previously upgraded since version 8.
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  • C-M-B
    Keith Reeder wrote:
    C-M-B wrote:
    With previous versions it was much easier to say "yes" or "no", but 20 does not have a lot of features compared to v12.

    It has more features than 12.

    But it isn't only about new toys, anyway. It's about quality improvements in existing tools too - and in that regard, 20 is a significant improvement for some of us.

    It got me back into the Capture One fold, having not previously upgraded since version 8.


    The only real difference is the layer copy thing and the additional two dynamic range sliders.

    Everything else is not even worth mentioning to be honest.

    The noise reduction is not as good as claimed and has quite of lot of issues at some settings (as is not as clean as the previous version in some regards) and the new color editor is very fiddly, very imprecise.

    Sure, for some people it might be worth it, but generally speaking it's something that an UPDATE in v12 could and should have contained.


    Sure, compared to v8 it has a lot of additional features. But so has v12, v11 and in fact v10.
    Don't tell me you have waited for so many years in order to copy layers (even though is a bit bugged).
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  • Grant Hodgeon
    Keith Reeder wrote:
    photoGrant wrote:
    Ah, I see Keith. This was a question about your authoritative answer, not about an opinion. Got it.

    Your opinion - forcefully stated as it was (as a fact, in fact) - is worth precisely as much as mine.

    Which is to say, worth nothing to the OP.

    Is everything in your world so binary?

    And do you not see the irony in your criticism of my comment, given that what you've described me doing is exactly what you did?

    Oh, and are all people from "Mid West" (what and wherever that might be - every country has a "mid west", but only one country seems to think it's unique in that regard) really so humourless?
    Thanks for trolling, though.

    Unlike your crass, blunt, monosyllabic, self-opinionated, flamebaiting, completely unhelpful "contribution" to the conversation, eh?


    Hi Keith,

    I'm from England. Much like yourself. Unlike yourself, however -- I'm not a petulant angry little man x
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