How to delete a brush stroke in a Heal/Clone layer?
How do you delete a brush stroke in a Heal/Clone layer? I'm aware that you can erase the actual mask using the Erase Mask tool, but that doesn't delete the clone/heal selection (the two circles with the arrow between them).
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Undo or Cmd+Z should do it. 0 -
Paul_Steunebrink wrote:
Undo or Cmd+Z should do it.
If you've made other brush strokes afterwards, you would have to delete them too then. Is this the only way?0 -
You can change from brush (B on the keyboard) to erase (E on the keyboard) and erase the part of the mask you don't want. (Or press and hold the brush tool on the toolbar to select erase rather than brush.)
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Ian3 wrote:
You can change from brush (B on the keyboard) to erase (E on the keyboard) and erase the part of the mask you don't want. (Or press and hold the brush tool on the toolbar to select erase rather than brush.)
Ian
Thanks. That's the option I mentioned initially, which doesn't get rid of the selection link (the two circles with the arrow between them). What I would like to know is if there's a way to delete the selection without having to either delete the whole layer or delete everything you've done after making the brush stroke (selection) you want to get rid of.0 -
You can change the positions of the target and the source.
However if you delete the target and the source from a Heal or Clone layer you no longer have a Heal or Clone layer so what is behind you purpose for deletion?
If you wish you can change the layer type and retain the masked areas for some other purpose while deleting the specific Clone/Heal target and source point selections.
However if you have painted a mask somewhere and now wish to remove it that "paint" stroke of itself is not uniquely recorded as an "edit item" so you either step back through you actions using CTRL-Z or simply use the erase brush to adjust the mask.
C1 uses something closer to an artistic metaphor than an Engineering metaphor for its masking activities.
HTH.
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SFA wrote:
You can change the positions of the target and the source.
However if you delete the target and the source from a Heal or Clone layer you no longer have a Heal or Clone layer so what is behind you purpose for deletion?
Initially when you create a Heal or Clone layer, there are no target and source points, but it's still a Heal or Clone layer. If you make, say, 10 brush strokes and you want to get rid of stroke number 3, it seems illogical that you can only erase the mask that was created with this stroke, but not the target and source points.0 -
thomaskyhn wrote:
SFA wrote:
You can change the positions of the target and the source.
However if you delete the target and the source from a Heal or Clone layer you no longer have a Heal or Clone layer so what is behind you purpose for deletion?
Initially when you create a Heal or Clone layer, there are no target and source points, but it's still a Heal or Clone layer.
That depends on how you go about creating it. My usual practice is to (1) create the layer, (2) select the brush tool, hold down Alt and click, to select the source point (3) brush as required to create the mask.If you make, say, 10 brush strokes and you want to get rid of stroke number 3, it seems illogical that you can only erase the mask that was created with this stroke, but not the target and source points.
But there is only one source point on the whole layer. Everything else is relative to that. If I start brushing 100 pixels to the left of the source, that sets the target as being 100 pixels to the left of the source. If I then brush on a completely different part of the image, it will use as a source whatever is 100 pixels to the right of that. You can't delete the source for stroke number 3 - there is no such thing, really.
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thomaskyhn wrote:
SFA wrote:
You can change the positions of the target and the source.
However if you delete the target and the source from a Heal or Clone layer you no longer have a Heal or Clone layer so what is behind you purpose for deletion?
Initially when you create a Heal or Clone layer, there are no target and source points, but it's still a Heal or Clone layer. If you make, say, 10 brush strokes and you want to get rid of stroke number 3, it seems illogical that you can only erase the mask that was created with this stroke, but not the target and source points.
You can erase the target and source point by the logical step of changing the layer type.
The selection of a Heal or Clone layer as the intention of the layer to be created expects the user to then add the target point and will then attempt to suggest a point from which to copy data. IN the absence of those selection there is no Heal or Clone layer - just a layer reservation placement that will act as a Heal or Clone starter unless changed to another layer type.
A heal or clone layer does not have multiple target and source points. It has a single spacial relationship that will apply to all brush strokes although the design and the intended use is most likely though of as the change of a single part of an image or perhaps a line of some sort that can be corrected by a similar line of data nearby.
I get the impression that the problem you perceive vis not so much the way the editing works as the way the function is not intended to do what you wish to do. That is a different discussion.
HTH.
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Ian3 wrote:
thomaskyhn wrote:
SFA wrote:
You can change the positions of the target and the source.
However if you delete the target and the source from a Heal or Clone layer you no longer have a Heal or Clone layer so what is behind you purpose for deletion?
Initially when you create a Heal or Clone layer, there are no target and source points, but it's still a Heal or Clone layer.
That depends on how you go about creating it. My usual practice is to (1) create the layer, (2) select the brush tool, hold down Alt and click, to select the source point (3) brush as required to create the mask.If you make, say, 10 brush strokes and you want to get rid of stroke number 3, it seems illogical that you can only erase the mask that was created with this stroke, but not the target and source points.
But there is only one source point on the whole layer. Everything else is relative to that. If I start brushing 100 pixels to the left of the source, that sets the target as being 100 pixels to the left of the source. If I then brush on a completely different part of the image, it will use as a source whatever is 100 pixels to the right of that. You can't delete the source for stroke number 3 - there is no such thing, really.
I see your point. The target and source points are still indicated with the circles and arrow though.0 -
thomaskyhn wrote:
I see your point. The target and source points are still indicated with the circles and arrow though.
Yes, but there can only be one circle and arrow for each layer, so you can't delete just the one for brush stroke 3.
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Ian3 wrote:
thomaskyhn wrote:
I see your point. The target and source points are still indicated with the circles and arrow though.
Yes, but there can only be one circle and arrow for each layer, so you can't delete just the one for brush stroke 3.
Ian
My apologies! And thanks for your patience – I understand now. Such a scenario would, of course, require several layers.0 -
SFA wrote:
thomaskyhn wrote:
A heal or clone layer does not have multiple target and source points. It has a single spacial relationship that will apply to all brush strokes although the design and the intended use is most likely though of as the change of a single part of an image or perhaps a line of some sort that can be corrected by a similar line of data nearby.
I get the impression that the problem you perceive vis not so much the way the editing works as the way the function is not intended to do what you wish to do. That is a different discussion.
Thanks for your comments. I get how it works now. The problem I initially thought I had required several layers and not just one.0 -
thomaskyhn wrote:
SFA wrote:
thomaskyhn wrote:
A heal or clone layer does not have multiple target and source points. It has a single spacial relationship that will apply to all brush strokes although the design and the intended use is most likely though of as the change of a single part of an image or perhaps a line of some sort that can be corrected by a similar line of data nearby.
I get the impression that the problem you perceive vis not so much the way the editing works as the way the function is not intended to do what you wish to do. That is a different discussion.
Thanks for your comments. I get how it works now. The problem I initially thought I had required several layers and not just one.
No problem.
I think it is different in concept to other similar tools and if moving from one method in one system to another in a different system things can be confusing for a while.
When I last changed systems C1 did not have layers so my personal opportunity to be puzzled was denied to me!
By the time the layers appeared I had pretty much forgotten how the other system worked with its version of layers so conversion to the new way was not so challenging!
Grant0
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