Incorrectly uploaded to wrong catalog
I am switching to CaptureOne from LR on a PC - as a test, to get used to the system, I have only uploaded photos from this month. But I think I uploaded and made my original catalog incorrectly within Capture One so I can't drag and drop photos and folders to move them within Capture One.
(sorry, I could not figure out how to attach a screen shot to better show, so my explanation will be long)
Currently this is how it's listed:
Library
Catalog:Capture One ((which is the default that came up when I first uploaded October's images))
Catalog Collections
All Images ((currently shows 739)
Recent Imports
Trash
User Collections
Folders
In Catalog 0
C: 10 October upload ((currently shows 739))
test images ((a test folder I created from within Capture One to test out moving the images))
My problem is after watching and rewatching a bunch of the provided videos (which are excellent by the way) I notice that when they started new catalogs they are listed under Folders/In Catalog........not where mine are listed under C:\ and in a newly named Catalog at the top under Library, not the origina Catalog: Capture One.
So my question is, how do I move those (and all their Capture One edits) into either making a new correctly placed Catalog under Folders/In Catalog?
Sorry that's so confusing - I want to make sure I get this right before starting to bring over my entire LR catalog.
Thank you in advance.
(sorry, I could not figure out how to attach a screen shot to better show, so my explanation will be long)
Currently this is how it's listed:
Library
Catalog:Capture One ((which is the default that came up when I first uploaded October's images))
Catalog Collections
All Images ((currently shows 739)
Recent Imports
Trash
User Collections
Folders
In Catalog 0
C: 10 October upload ((currently shows 739))
test images ((a test folder I created from within Capture One to test out moving the images))
My problem is after watching and rewatching a bunch of the provided videos (which are excellent by the way) I notice that when they started new catalogs they are listed under Folders/In Catalog........not where mine are listed under C:\ and in a newly named Catalog at the top under Library, not the origina Catalog: Capture One.
So my question is, how do I move those (and all their Capture One edits) into either making a new correctly placed Catalog under Folders/In Catalog?
Sorry that's so confusing - I want to make sure I get this right before starting to bring over my entire LR catalog.
Thank you in advance.
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Capture One catalogs can handle images in two ways
(1) Managed - these are the images that are shown at Folders/In catalog. The raw files are stored within the catalog itself. With anything other than a small number of images, the catalog file can become very large indeed, because raw files are large files.
(2) Referenced - these are images that are tracked by the catalog database, but are stored in whatever location(s) you choose on your computer. The information about edits, and the previews that Capture One displays, are stored in the catalog, but the raw files themselves are stored outside it, somewhere in your file system.
A catalog can include both managed and referenced images at the same time if you like.
There is no need to move images into the catalog, and in view of the size implications, there are many advantages to not doing so, and using the referenced image approach instead.
You should be able to see all your 739 images if you click on All Images. You can verify where the images physically are by right clicking any of them and choosing
- Show in Library - which will take you to the part of the Library tab with the folder that the image is in, or
- Show in [???] - on a Mac it says Show in Finder. You seem to be on Windows, so I am not sure what the wording is, but presumably something like Show in Explorer, Show in File Explorer, or something. That opens a window into the system folder where your image is.
If you actually want to move the images into the catalog, you can use Show in Library to locate the images in the Library tool, and just drag and drop them to the In Catalog collection. (But do it within Capture One, so that the database will keep track of the location of the images. Capture One will move them from the folder on your file system into storage inside the catalog.) But if you are happy with where they are stored on your file system, there is really no need to move them. Capture One knows where they are and can work with them perfectly well.
Ian0 -
Thank you for your quick reply Ian. In what you suggest, I move them within Capture One using the File Explorer. I just did a test, and the problem is that is a really long and drawn out way to move them, open each file folder until I get to the folder I want them finally stored in, then I have to tell Capture One where I have moved them to - it did not automatically move them, like it should if my files were listed under the Folders/In Catalog option in Capture One. Not drag and drop within the Capture One desktop like all of the videos show.
Maybe I'm not explaining myself correctly. Can you tell me how to attach an image to this forum so I can show exactly what I'm talking about?
The way my folders on my PC are set up are C:/users/patty/Pictures/(assorted 2019,2018,2017)years/month
But from watching the videos, my folders should be listed in Capture One directly under the "In Catalog", not under the "C:/.0 -
As an example in the video on Capture One "Catalogs and Sessions" at minute 12:24, David has brought in images from his computer into a new catalog in Capture One and it shows up under the Folders/In Catalog category on the left hand side of the Capture One Screen. And that happens just that way in every video I've watched on there. And he can drag and drop from around in there.
Mine does not show up there - it shows up under the C:\ category. I can not simply drag and drop.0 -
Okay, I don't know how or why, (and they are still listed in their own folder under C instead of inside the In Catalog folder) but it seems to be working.
I created an entire new test catalog, imported some photos from a different folder on my HD, was able to move those around, create new folders elsewhere, move the photos to and from those new test folders. So I opened up my original catalog, and for some unknown reason, I'm not able to drag and drop the photos from the original created folders to new ones as I want.
Again, no clue why it's working now - just very, very happy that it is!
Thank you for trying to help me out.0 -
mrspatty wrote:
Can you tell me how to attach an image to this forum so I can show exactly what I'm talking about?
You need to put the image online somewhere and post a link, or put a suitable link between the Img tags if you want the images to be visible in your post.mrspatty wrote:
But from watching the videos, my folders should be listed in Capture One directly under the "In Catalog", not under the "C:/.
Only if that is where you want them to be. Another thought occurs to me: if you right click on any of the folders within the Folders section of the Library tool, you will see an option saying either "Show folders hierarchy" or "Hide folders hierarchy". Show displays all the path to the folders in question, whereas Hide displays only the folders you have added to the catalog, without showing where they sit in your file system.
Ian0 -
I don't have someplace to upload the screenshot to - I'm not a professional and I don't have my own website.
I am able to open the folders, I understand the showing and hiding the hierarchy. And I'm able to do that - it's where they are listed that's different. I'll try and do a diagram here to explain (of course the little >icons are not exact)
In the videos this is how they are showing;
> Folders
(space) # In Catalog
(space) * C:\ or whatever the HD is
(space/space) ^whatever file folder system it is they have set up is listed here
(space/space) ^and here
Mine is shown like this:
>Folders
(space)# In Catalog
> C:(space)^my files are listed here
(space)^and here
Do you see what I mean that my files are not being installed under the #In Catalog, and they are under their own header of the C:\ And this happens whether I tried importing from existing files on my computer or from a memory card.
Patty0 -
Please refer to this screenshot.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48910753022_96e899ed93_z.jpg
I'm on a Mac not on Windows, but where it says Macintosh HD is equivalent to where it says C: for you.
There are two separate places for storage of the images shown here.
- There are 29 images actually stored inside the catalog. (That is, the raw files themselves are stored inside the catalog, not in the folder structure on my hard disc.)
- There are 81 images stored outside the catalog, in a folder on my hard disc called Selects. (That is, the raw files are held outside the catalog, but the images are still indexed by the catalog database, and the information about edits, plus previews of the images, are stored inside the catalog itself.)
I could, if I wanted, click on the Selects folder as shown here, select one or more of the images, and drag it from there to the In Catalog storage instead. But there is no need to: the images are still catalogued, Capture One can edit them, and they are just as much imported to the catalog as the other ones - except for where the raw files are held.
If you had wanted the files to be imported to be stored inside the catalog instead of outside, on your hard disc, you could specify that when you import them. In the Import dialog box, there is a Section saying Import To, where you can select a Destination as "Current location", or "Inside catalog" or "Choose Folder..." To have them stored inside the catalog, you choose the "Inside Catalog" option. But there is no need to do that unless you want to - they are just as good stored on your hard disc - in my case above, on a subfolder of my Pictures folder. Your choice.
Hope that makes it clearer.
(And the screen shot is linked to Flickr. I could also have put the image on Dropbox, Google Drive, OneDrive, etc.)
Ian0 -
Well that is what I though you meant, and it looks fine to me. Your 13 + 738 images on your C: drive are all indexed in the catalog, and can be worked on from the catalog - but the raw files themselves are stored out on your C: drive. (Like my 81 images in the Selects folder in my screen shot.)
If you want to have those raw files actually stored inside the catalog (instead of in their existing location in the folders of your C: drive) you can click on the folder concerned, select the images, and just drag them to the In Catalog section. If you want, you could try that out with just one image - you should see the count go up on "In Catalog" and down on the C: drive folder. As long as you do it that way, within the Library tool of Capture One, Capture One will still know where to find the files, and will still keep track of your edit information for them. (And when you have tried that, you could drag it back again, if you wanted.)
There is no "correctly set up" here. It is possible to work on images equally well stored in either way, or a mixture of the two systems. My screen shot was from a small test catalog I have on my laptop, with some images stored inside the catalog and some stored outside. Actually, my main catalog, with about 30,000 images, is on my desktop and none of the images are stored "In Catalog". One of the reasons for that is that with 30,000 images, storing them inside the catalog would make for a huge file, creating difficulties for backups and so on. Also leaving them in their existing locations makes it easier to open the files with other apps should I want to.
I have not used Lightroom, so I can't comment on the process of importing from Lightroom. But have you seen this webinar on migrating from Lightroom? He shows importing a LR catalog at about the 57 minutes mark, but if you are used to Lightroom, you might find the whole webinar instructive. I see that when he has imported his LR catalog, none of the images in it appear "In catalog". The online help here says that when you import a LR catalog, none of the images are physically moved - they stay in their existing locations. I assume that this means that if you actually wanted them to be "In catalog" you would have to move them afterwards, as I have described, but I can't think of a good reason to want to.
Ian0 -
Ian, I really appreciate you following through with all of my questions on this and now I totally understand.
I have been watching all the provided videos about switching over and will watch them again before I actually take that step.
I will leave them where they are at on my HD, like you mentioned, moving them "into" the catalog would be enormous and I understand the difference now.
Take care and thank you again.
Patty0
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