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Printing Webinar

chriswimlett
In a recent webinar David Grover mentioned the possiblity of a printing webinar. Is this a good place to say a big 'yes please' to this? I've recently bought a Canon Pixma Pro 100S so it would be really welcome.

The webinars are a great resource, thanks David!
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  • Ian Wilson
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    This is just a user-to-user forum, so not a direct channel of communication to Phase One.

    I agree that David's webinars are good - I always learn something from them.

    Ian
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  • SFA
    You could also comment in the video post and perhaps even contact David directly - though I suspect the Support Case option would be more useful for assessing levels of interest if everyone used it.

    I think part of the question about running a webinar is what the viewers expectation might be.

    Is the level of information required limited to everything that can happen in C1 up to the point of sending information to the printer driver or are people really looking for an understanding of how the (various) printer driver options need to be understood (for different manufacturers) in order to get the most appropriate output from C1?

    And then there maybe some who wish to head off into the realms of colour calibration and perhaps preparing files for printing via other packages - such as Qimage for example.

    I think it would be useful for David (and Phase One) to have a good understanding of expectations for such a webinar so that it could prepared to suit the most requests and have so pre-joining guidance about content in order to avoid some people being, perhaps, disappointed. Printing is a big subject to cover in an hour although the basic controls and options should not be difficult to explain in that time given that the attendees have at least a little experience of printing something somewhere.


    Grant
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  • chriswimlett
    Thanks for the replies. Yes, printing is a big subject as I'm finding out having just bought my first photo printer!

    I guess I'm thinking of the options for printing once you get to the output stage, which maybe just some general guidance on printer settings and colour calibration. Most of the detail would be in going through the various options in the COP print dialogue and comparing this to creating a process recipe. I think I've worked a lot of this out, but it's suprising how much extra you can pick up in the webinars. I'll contact Phase One directly though, once I've got my thoughts together a bit more.
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  • SFA
    chriswimlett wrote:
    Thanks for the replies. Yes, printing is a big subject as I'm finding out having just bought my first photo printer!

    I guess I'm thinking of the options for printing once you get to the output stage, which maybe just some general guidance on printer settings and colour calibration. Most of the detail would be in going through the various options in the COP print dialogue and comparing this to creating a process recipe. I think I've worked a lot of this out, but it's suprising how much extra you can pick up in the webinars. I'll contact Phase One directly though, once I've got my thoughts together a bit more.


    Once you get to printer settings in many cases one is at the mercy of printer driver and the profiling of the media onto which one is printing. Getting a reasonably good proofed result on screen and converting that into a print preview that also looks about right AND prints well matching colours is another game and most of that has nothing to do with Capture One.

    As a Canon printer owner (albeit a much older model than the one you mentioned) I have found the driver control software "interesting" over the years and colour control in some situations very tricky to double guess even when using manufacturer media and profiles. The results can be excellent and reproduction of a decent jpg leaving the printer to do its thing is usually fine. Taking control beyond that probably requires far more profiling and control (and investment in the tools to do it) than I have felt justifiable. However if you are into to fine art printing and happy to cover the costs then it makes sense to look at printing directly from the RAW file under your interactive, edit available control. So the C1 printer interface would certainly be a part of that.

    I would be interested in your experiences with the 100S. It's a printer that I have been considering myself in recent times as a replacement for my old A4 size limited machine that uses the same basis of ink formulation.


    Grant
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  • chriswimlett
    SFA wrote:
    Once you get to printer settings in many cases one is at the mercy of printer driver and the profiling of the media onto which one is printing. Getting a reasonably good proofed result on screen and converting that into a print preview that also looks about right AND prints well matching colours is another game and most of that has nothing to do with Capture One.

    As a Canon printer owner (albeit a much older model than the one you mentioned) I have found the driver control software "interesting" over the years and colour control in some situations very tricky to double guess even when using manufacturer media and profiles. The results can be excellent and reproduction of a decent jpg leaving the printer to do its thing is usually fine. Taking control beyond that probably requires far more profiling and control (and investment in the tools to do it) than I have felt justifiable. However if you are into to fine art printing and happy to cover the costs then it makes sense to look at printing directly from the RAW file under your interactive, edit available control. So the C1 printer interface would certainly be a part of that.

    I would be interested in your experiences with the 100S. It's a printer that I have been considering myself in recent times as a replacement for my old A4 size limited machine that uses the same basis of ink formulation.


    Sorry for the delay in replying Grant, I've been away. A friend has shown me how he prints from Photoshop to a Canon 100S, with Photoshop controlling everything. I've managed to replicate this is Capture One and am getting pretty good results, the best thing does seem to be to disable colour managment in the Canon driver. Once I get a minute I could post the settings if you're interested,

    Chris
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  • SFA
    chriswimlett wrote:
    SFA wrote:
    Once you get to printer settings in many cases one is at the mercy of printer driver and the profiling of the media onto which one is printing. Getting a reasonably good proofed result on screen and converting that into a print preview that also looks about right AND prints well matching colours is another game and most of that has nothing to do with Capture One.

    As a Canon printer owner (albeit a much older model than the one you mentioned) I have found the driver control software "interesting" over the years and colour control in some situations very tricky to double guess even when using manufacturer media and profiles. The results can be excellent and reproduction of a decent jpg leaving the printer to do its thing is usually fine. Taking control beyond that probably requires far more profiling and control (and investment in the tools to do it) than I have felt justifiable. However if you are into to fine art printing and happy to cover the costs then it makes sense to look at printing directly from the RAW file under your interactive, edit available control. So the C1 printer interface would certainly be a part of that.

    I would be interested in your experiences with the 100S. It's a printer that I have been considering myself in recent times as a replacement for my old A4 size limited machine that uses the same basis of ink formulation.


    Sorry for the delay in replying Grant, I've been away. A friend has shown me how he prints from Photoshop to a Canon 100S, with Photoshop controlling everything. I've managed to replicate this is Capture One and am getting pretty good results, the best thing does seem to be to disable colour managment in the Canon driver. Once I get a minute I could post the settings if you're interested,

    Chris


    Hi Chris,

    Yes, disable colour management (unless printing a jpg aimed at using the printer's colour management) is generally a requirement.

    I think the challenge I have may relate more to subtle differences in colour profiles for the output media. The paper I normally prefer does not have a specific profile available. At least not one I know of

    That said my printer is somewhat older than the 100S and although a Photo printer by intent does not offer the same level of functionality - which may be where the the driver's limitations are exposed. Especially when not using a fully colour managed work flow.

    I would be interested in the settings and which media you and your friend prefer to use. It would be an opportunity to compare the Printer Driver options at the very least.


    Thanks,


    Grant
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  • chriswimlett
    SFA wrote:


    Hi Chris,

    Yes, disable colour management (unless printing a jpg aimed at using the printer's colour management) is generally a requirement.

    I think the challenge I have may relate more to subtle differences in colour profiles for the output media. The paper I normally prefer does not have a specific profile available. At least not one I know of

    That said my printer is somewhat older than the 100S and although a Photo printer by intent does not offer the same level of functionality - which may be where the the driver's limitations are exposed. Especially when not using a fully colour managed work flow.

    I would be interested in the settings and which media you and your friend prefer to use. It would be an opportunity to compare the Printer Driver options at the very least.


    Thanks,


    Grant


    Hi Grant apologies again for the delay in replying, but I've got printing working pretty well now in Capture One.

    A lot of people in our camera club use Permajet and Fotospeed papers and both companies offer really good printer profiles and lots of advice. I've tried Permajet Oyster 271 and DoubleSided Matt 250, both are relatively inexpensive and give really nice results. Fotospeed Natural Soft Textured Bright White 315 and Platinum 285 are more expensive but give outstanding results. As you'd expect the Canon printer profiles are spot on - I've only really tried the Canon Photo Paper Pro Luster and it gives lovely results for B & W images. I'm going to a one-day printing workshop given by Permajet in November so hope to learn more then, and try out more papers.

    The COP print settings I use are:

    Printer:-
    Resolution High
    Sharpening - I leave this at the default of 25 until I understand better
    Color Profile - select the profile for the paper you're using
    Rend. Intent - Relative Colormetric
    Black Point Compensation - checked

    Margins:-
    I set all these to zero

    Layout:-

    Row & Columns 1
    Cell height and width to image size
    Cell border 0cm

    Printer Preferences

    Quick Setup tab:-
    Select Photo Printing
    Check Preview before printing
    I uncheck borderless printing
    Check Color/ Manual Adjustment
    Media Type - Permajet and Fotospeed give recommended settings for Canon printers
    Print Quality High
    Select paper size and orientation

    Main tab:
    Click Set next to Manual
    Click to Matching tab and select None for Color Correction

    Then OK to all and print!

    I think this all correct but let me know.

    HTH

    Chris
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