I have never been this disappointed with legit software
I have spent the entire day trying to import my LR catalog into C1 and I really can't understand why anyone uses this software.
I'm on an old (2013) iMac, if that helps. And I'm importing a large (75K) LR database in sections (about 2k photos at a time) - the photos themselves are on a Synology NAS.
First, I've had about a dozen hard crashes. By that I mean not only would the app not respond, force quitting it did not work and I had to restart my computer to clear the main C1 menu off my screen.
I've tried several times to import the same catalog, in each try it generates new variants of the photos that made it in during the last try. Then it just stops after about 250 images. Spinning ball. Then nothing.
It's doing that now. I'm going to have to restart my machine to get it off my desktop.
I've uninstalled and reinstalled. I've started over with a new catalog.
Is it my machine?
Is there a live phone support that might help?
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First of all:
- Which version of Capture One do you use?
- Which macOS are you using?
C1 released today a new version (13.1), which -according to the release notes-
- should fix some bug (macOS) in connection with a NAS, which caused C1 to crash
- has an improved import function for LR catalogs
It might be good, if you could retest with the new version. And if it still does not work give more details about your macOS version as well as the used C1 release
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I have been beta testing the 13.1 software since it first became available. The one constant criticism I had was the speed of the import of an LR catalog. The early betas took nearly 24 hours to import an 85K image catalog. The time has come down with each beta, but the version released today is remarkably slow. I jettisoned my beta catalog and began fresh today with a new import. I started the import process this morning at 10 a.m.. It is now 15:30 and the import is sitting at just under 40K image with roughly 45K images to go.
For perspective, I'm running C1 20 (13.1) release version on a 2019 iMac Core i9 (8 cores), 5 GHz Turbo Boost, 3.7 GHz standard, 64 GB RAM, 8 GB Radeon 580X and the reading is taking place from Thunderbolt 3 NAS in RAID 5 and the catalog is being written to the internal 2 TB PCI-e SSD. I have all energy saving turned off, screen saver off, and there are no other primary applications running except the browser I'm using to write this response.
My takeaway from this so far is that while C1 20 is quite decent software, migrating from LR is still not "there" yet. Fortunately I have multiple machines I can work on, so I've walked away from this machine while this import takes place. I want to benchmark its speed against one of the fastest machines on the market in an essential, but one time, operation.
I'll report back when the import is completed at about 22:00 at the current rate.
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Thanks for your speedy replies!
I'm using C1 20 13.1 and my mac is running Catalina 10.15.4.
As for taking a long time, I wouldn't mind. But it seems that even after a long import just for the files, it still takes eons to generate previews. Not even 100% previews, just 5210px previews.
When I zoom into 100% on a photo - and wait - does it save that preview? Or will it always have to regenerate?
If this is a one-time thing, because I'm doing the LR import, I'm OK with it taking a long time. Not so OK with it crashing right and left, but OK.
BUT
Is it going to take this long when I import a shoot off a card?
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Have you tried bringing in a smaller catalog? It might be worth it just to see the results. COs import does not bring in all edits you’ve made in LR. If you search through this forum on importing LR catalogs you’ll find that many decide to just bring in images folder by folder and re-edit.
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Frank
Regarding previews: generation should only happen once. That's the point - create previews on import and they are there when needed. It does create some big catalogues though.
All the best
Shane
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When i did the Lr in to C1 Last year, it took a very long time. Way longer than I expected. And this was on a 2017 iMac . The issue was the size of the LR catalog. IT has more than 10k photos and i did not think that far in to it. It took more than a day due to the size of the catalog.. Be patient and let it work.
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It is not a lack of patience. It is the fact that C1 doesn't take advantage of the computing power at its disposal when importing the catalog. 85K images is not that big a catalog. It should be using all 8 cores or how ever many cores a machine has, it should be using all the graphics HP, and the machine has 64 GB of RAM. It should scale with the machine, not operated in a fixed memory space. I know people who have LR catalogs that contain 500K images. That would take days to import in C1; it shouldn't take that long.
Effectively C1 is saying that it can't import a LR catalog in a reasonable amount of time. I can delete ALL the previews in my LR catalog, and regenerate ALL of the previews in 3 hours. Right now I'm going on 9 hours and I have nearly 30K images left to import.
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Thank you all for your feedback! And apologies for the nasty tone of my first post...
I think my biggest issue came from grayscale tifs I was trying to import. Now that I've excluded those it's behaving much more smoothly.
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Hi Frank,
Yes, unfortunately, Capture One doesn't accept grayscale images for development, and this could be a reason why it didn't work smoothly.
Robert
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Concerning the speed of Capture One, there are a lot of factors which have an influence.
Some general advice, which I learnt from different webinars:
- Try to keep the catalog on the fastest drive available. Usually that would be the built-in drive
- Do not create Previews, which would exceed the resolution of your screen a lot. E.g., if your screen has something like FullHD or 2k resolution, previews with 5k pixels might slow the system down (esp. if memory, processing power is limited). For a 100% view the image is loaded anyway.
From my own experience:
- Limit the synchronisation of Metadata, e.g..just load the Metadata. A full synchronisation causes lots of read/write requests, which slows down the whole system even if everything is located on fast internal drives.. If needed, you could still later synchronise the Metadata, or just include it, while processing image.
Esp. when starting with CO:
Watching the webinars is a good investment of time (esp. those which are about general image processing, catalog vs. session, focus on some tools or image genre, photographers talking about their workflow):
- Even if the recorded webinar was made with an earlier version of CO, often the tools/logic is still the same.
- Of course, not everything might/will suit the personal workflow/preferences. There is anyway a lot to think about for tweaking the own way
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OK, I have been a Mac COP user since V7. The Catalogs when introduced were almost unusable, now in v13 or v20 whatever you want to call it the Catalogs are much better but not as good as LR IMHO.
My experience trying to import my image library of 27K images is that it is not a trvial process but it can work.
Suggestions.
1. In Lightroom make sure that you are exporting xmp files as these will have all your keywords and ratings and other data except the edit data.
2. Once you can confirm that xmp files exist now try the import of the LR Catalog. It works but it is slow. Might take a couple of days. Yes I know that the CPU should do it in an hour or two/three.
3. My preferred option is to import the images directly. Select the top level directory and tell COP to catalog all sub-directories as well. This will take a while also but in 24 hours you get your first catalog in COP. BACK IT UP!!! Copy it to a safe place! If possible just leave the machine to hog all its resources. It should work but may fall over.
4. If option 3 doesnt work then you need to do the import in chunks. Very tedious but this also works.
5. I dont use catalogs as Sessions works better as it is a 'small catalog' that is directory centric. I have all my work in year-monthly directories so I can usually identify year and month fairly well.
Good luck and remember patience is your friend, especially if she makes coffee!0 -
I have also seen that importing files takes forever. The engine used in Capture 1 seems to be totally obsolete. When I import the files in Lightroom it takes minutes not many hours. I have brought this to the attention of the company but no response. Also when I open a collection it takes forever to recreate the preview images. For collections of 1000 pictures I have noted 48 minutes to generate the previews. This is totally unacceptable to me. Makes the software unusable for me. Why shoots are typically 5000 shots and I put those in a a collection.
The entire engine needs to be rewritten. In ON 1 I see the images almost instantly wow that is fast!!! Capture 1 needs to bite the bullet and get rid of that ancient dinosaur engine and generate a modern engine that runs much much much faster.
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