Annoying LOUPE tool (P) in the GRID (thumbnail) view
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Please make LOUPE (P) tool optional for grid view. As it is superb tool on full screen preview image, it is annoying on grid (thumbnail view). Make it optional in references not to take the functionality away from someone. But me personally never used it on the thumbnails.
On grid (thumbnail) Loupe is laggy and fiddly. Slow to load (on 6-core, 32 GB 4-channel ram and SSD for images). Also I always load click on image to view it large for frame judgement and than use loupe there for focus check. I often click random images back and forth with mouse, so lopue gets stuck whhen it wants to load but I move mouse to next image. Also if I want to just clone some effect from one image to another, loupe again gets engaged. All in all I need to change tool back and forth from P to H just to get rid of annoying loupe.
Please consider it on grid view to optional or remove it all together.
Best regards,
MIHAEL
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I don't quite understand this request, Mihael. If you don't like it in grid view, you don't need to use it. Why do they need to change anything? Or am I missing something here?
Regards
Ian
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They need to change because I need to constantly press H, P, H, P, H, P, for every mouse click - it is utterly annoying to switch it off each time you need to interact with grid. If I cull 1000 images I click on images let them sit on my eyes for seconds, if I rject it by that I click next image if it is OK by full view I'll check focus and click next. This can be 40 times per minute. Seeking H/P keys reduce me to 10 images per minute.
Yes, toll is great, but that tool needs to interact with other tools. No one probably use loupe just by it self. While loupe in full view if very good tool, it is not in grid view. I end up use double click on full view to zoom to 100%, but this way I loose time as well, since whole image loads longer and I need to do it again, to un-zoom, for next image to be seen in full view.
Restricting loupe in grid view would help a lot. As I said: make it optional. Just for me and those 3000 wedding photographers. All others that never use loupe or use it on grid view can stay as it is. As said: I can't see much point having loupe on grid view since it is faster to click on image and use loupe, than just wait loupe load in grid view.0 -
Hi Mihael,
Thank you for your post.
When in the Grid mode in Browser, the Loupe tool should not be activated automatically but the standard mouse cursor should remain by default.
If the Loupe cursor appears when you switch to the Grid mode in the Browser, that might be an OS-specific or Capture One version-specific bug which should be submitted in the request to the Support Team.
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Thank you Lili, it is BUG than, ... yes loupe is activated all the time. I will post as you suggested.
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Mihael,
How are you getting a grid on a Thumbnail?
What do you have defined as the settings for any possibly associated Keyboard Shortcuts?
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@SFA
I said "GRID VIEW" or "THUMBNAIL VIEW" - same thing - the windows where all images are loaded in small thumbnails, other than big full screen preview - I do not know hot to describe what is what. I have two monitors: one for all commands and grid of small images and next monitor for large almost full screen image where I do edits.
LOUPE is activated also on small icon-images (thumbnails) which is why I wrote request and Lily said that it must be a bug to work there. It is really illogical to have it on little images. But that is same for several versions now (Windows).
I do not understand "What do you have defined as the settings for any possibly associated Keyboard Shortcuts" - I use default shortcut P.0 -
Is that right, though, Pavel? I can select thumbnails in browser mode perfectly well with the loupe tool active.
Ian
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Well, something is strange here. With multiple variants I can still select them in the browser with the loupe tool active.
Ian
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I'm on a Mac. I don't know whether that makes a difference to this.
Ian
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OK, Browser displayed as a grid.
Like Pavel I am on Windows.
If I have multiple images selected they act as a "set" (but not with the "Set" functionality found in the Viewer). Left and right arrow moves around them.
With the Loupe active a short click will select a different image within the set WITHOUT displaying the Loupe. A slightly longer click will bring up the Loupe but only when I hold down the the "Left button" (trackpad) and only when over an image.
For what it worth - that's what I see.
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YES, @Pavel Hubík, exactly.
You said better than me. It is "a browser" I could not remember the name before and I said "grid view". :)
I would like it exactly like other tools.@Ian Wilson on my blazing fast NVMe SSD for images with loupe tool enabled it is (almost) not possible to click image. Even if I'm fast enough it can open blank circle after that and it stuck. So I need another click or choose "H". You might have slow system and is clickable before 100% image loads into loupe. But that is also my point: Why having loupe in browser (grid / thumb view) in the first place if it loads so long that you can click files and even there it is very hard to navigate within small thumb. There is advantage to use loupe only on big preview image: it loads much faster, you can even see if loupe is needed at all (declare image as keeper or reject before even use loupe), loupe is loading faster and inspect image by other criteria before loupe. If loupe needed it is also way faster to pick it where you need - while on thumbs you pick it from center somewhere and than navigate to needed spot - which just takes time since CPU must load/render all those pixels of your wandering with loupe. I (almost) can't see point having loupe in browser - but for those few, let it be optional.
To all: Maybe my PC is too fast. Since each version of C1 I have, things go worse. Why - they are faster and faster, so they react more instantly. On slow laptop there is no problem, I can click file and move cursor away fast enough. But this is not the way I would like it, If I do not move the mouse, circle is opening regardless if I do not press mouse btn down. Yes @Pavel Hubik, if multiple is selected, it is not possible to select file at all. But that does not irritates me since I never have multiple files selected. In my case switch to other image is very laggy in that case. Also if I use "H" for image picking, it loads them split hair faster on big preview than if I let it to also open loupe in browser. Interesting, when you move cursor from thumbnail to empty space cursor changes to arrow (H). So this loupe is DESIGNED like it works after all. Also I'm not fan of "moving mouse somewhere out of view" to disengage something (like menu, loupe, etc). It is time waster even with superb mouse, let alone on track-pad on laptop, how many swipes I do for nothing just to loose loupe. In preview image it vanish as soon as I release mouse button, but in browser it stays forever until I move mouse out of circle (which is bigger than thumbnails itself). A lot of empty mouse moves.
It is not the biggest annoyance in C1 (the brush size menus is), so I can live around it (Adobe Lr have hundreds more). But loupe is far less efficient. I know from endless Adobe forums, a lot of dudes never get what I wrote, until I bought one really cheap laptop and experienced that Lr actually works WAY better on 2-core 8GB ram laptop with integrated GPU than on high end 12-core rig. Turning off the GPU acceleration in Lr was 1st big "optimisation" they even officially proposed. After years of ranting they invited us few users to test some sort of hacks that actually disabled (!!) cores when using Lr, to gain fluid working and they incorporated this into next updates(!). Imagine how stupidly old their core code is - no fuss I used "affinity" to turn down all my cores to 2 and Lr started to cooperate. Well that was that, and I came to much better coded C1. I saved calculated 14 work days with using C1 instead of Lr per year. There is few spots that need to be polished to save even more time. New "Q" heal tool improved speed by far, but mistakes for wrongly selecting brush ruins the experience. So I believe to all of you, you can change image with P tool. But in my case I need to be really quick to move cursor away. This I hope will be changed; I do not want to compete in moving cursor (on a laptop). I reckon no one really use loupe on thumbnails anyway.
Thanks for support,
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@SFA - that sounds as though what you see on Windows is the same as what I see on a Mac.
@Mihael - it sounds as though what you see is different from what is seen by both SFA on Windows and myself on Mac. This suggests to me that something is not working as it should for you. Have you tried contacting Support?
Ian
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@Ian Wilson I did not files a "bug" issue yet, since C1 works exactly the same as from version 10 (my 1st version I used daily) regarding loupe. I better star making videos. It seems 10 second video would prevent us typing this long letters, where I am not that great at English at all, too.
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