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Pre-ordering version 20 - Based on which information ?

Samoreen
Hi,

Getting a discount for pre-ordering version 20 is an appreciated offer. How could I decide to pre-order as no information about this new version is available ?
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  • Permanently deleted user
    PhaseOne normally runs beta tests before releasing a new version. So joining the beta program and getting access to software and documentation of changes might be the best way to find out.

    Best
    Frank
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  • Permanently deleted user
    I was thinking to open this topic myself. Pre-order is common today but at least you know roughly what you're going to pay for. This is more of a bet. 😐
    After having paid too much for a full CO11/12 license, a couple of days before becoming eligible for an upgrade option that would have saved me more or less 150€, I already had the idea to drop the next major release. If I'll change my mind they won't be 30€ to change my life, so I think I won't pay sight unseen.
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  • Ian Leslie
    [quote="ClauS" wrote:
    I was thinking to open this topic myself. Pre-order is common today but at least you know roughly what you're going to pay for.


    Yeah. On one hand it is nice to have clarity on when the cut off is for C1 v12 purchases that will qualify for v20 free. But on the other hand this is not really a pre order since no one can tell what is in it. Yes, I know beta testers, I'm not talking about that. Normally some indication of what the new features are are included in a pre order offer. At least that is how it should be done IMHO.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    [quote="IanL" wrote:


    On one hand it is nice to have clarity on when the cut off is for C1 v12 purchases that will qualify for v20 free.


    The eligibility should go from when they've published the offer on the site (Alexonraw reported about it on October 24 and I don't think it started very long before) to the last day of CO12. You should have read it when you've bought but you can check on the licences page of your account. This kind of offer is usually given in the last month of life of the current version so we should have an approximate date of CO20 release.
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  • Paul Spatafora
    I'd like to know what everyone is hoping for with CO20. It sounds like a major release! Maybe they will add new features instead of bug fixes and claim it's new. CO12 was a big disappointment. They doubled the upgrade cost and gave us bug fixes and told us it was new! I'm hoping that they will continue the 20% promotion after the release of the product.

    I've been looking at Photolab, and Exposure 5 as a replacement but CO12 still beats them in image quality. My primary need is imagine quality. Photolab and Exposure cannot deal with the highlights as well as CO. The good thing about the other two pieces of software is that you get a ton of stuff for essentially the upgrade cost of CO20. Paying 600 CND for a software package with all the filters is a bit out of line for software these days. Kudos to CO for having the balls to try and do that. I wish I can charge double as a photographer! There are many cheaper solutions for getting filters and looks other than CO.

    I'd like to know what you're all expecting. I'm hoping for a real brush tool and a real healing and cloning tool.

    Paul

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  • Jochen Beck
    What I hope the update will NOT be is CPO 12 extended by all the styles packs, that Phase One is so desperately trying to sell.
    I would welcome improvements in database handling, performance and reliabilty (the other day all my edits from the previous editing session were gone, first time this happened to me but it is still annoying).
    Furthermore, I think the noise reduction tool could be improved. While I never compared it side by side (which is difficult to do properly anyways), I feel that Im getting better results out of Dfine 2 (Nik Collection) - especially for very noisy images.
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  • Marcus Schouten
    I hope for a proper relational database engine. The time to load and filter images is ridiculous. Capture One uses (many) minutes for what can be done in a second.
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  • Keith Reeder
    [quote="Izildur" wrote:
    Furthermore, I think the noise reduction tool could be improved. While I never compared it side by side (which is difficult to do properly anyways), I feel that Im getting better results out of Dfine 2 (Nik Collection) - especially for very noisy images.

    To be fair, you should expect a dedicated noise reduction program to improve on the results of the built-in NR function in a Raw converter - the only real exception to this being Photo Ninja, but that's because it's built around a dedicated (and probably the best - it's "edge aware", amongst other things in its favour) NR program, Noise Ninja. Photo Ninja also has a demosaicing algorithm which is very effective at generating detail without noise.

    But in relation to your Capture One aspiration: obviously I can't say anything specific about Capture One 20 because of the NDA, but I would recommend that you get onto the beta program, read the list of improvements in 20, and evaluate it for yourself - suffice it to say that NR is a big priority for me too, and I'm finding version 20 to be pretty encouraging...
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  • Samoreen
    [quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
    To be fair, you should expect a dedicated noise reduction program to improve on the results of the built-in NR function in a Raw converter - the only real exception to this being Photo Ninja


    Not exactly. I'm not aware of any RAW processing software giving better results than DxO Photolab (PRIME technology). The Noiseware plugin from Imagenomic is also pretty impressive.
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  • Keith Reeder
    [quote="Samoreen" wrote:

    Not exactly. I'm not aware of any RAW processing software giving better results than DxO Photolab (PRIME technology).

    I was an official beta-tester for DxO Optics Pro when PRIME was first introduced, and then PhotoLab. Have you fully tested a properly-profiled Photo Ninja?

    Believe me, Photo Ninja is better - especially if you value your time. It's much easier to get excellent results from, and it's much faster. PL's noise reduction isn't edge-aware either, which is a huge benefit for noise reduction, as it goes an awful long way to ensuring that detail is left alone.

    PRIME will kill noise - no argument there - but the end results aren't better than what can be achieved by dedicated noise reduction (Topaz DeNoise being the only plugin I'd use these days - except that Photo Ninja makes it unnecessary) unless all you want to do is get rid of noise.

    The PRIME noise reduction/detail retention balancing act is - to be blunt - a pain in the backside to get right, and in my experience PRIME always removes more detail than does Photo Ninja, for a given degree of noise reduction.

    The speed/usability trade-off with PRIME (even the latest incarnation, which is a lot faster than the original) is such that I stand by my comment: Photo Ninja is the only Raw converter which I regard as being capable of outperforming the "converter + dedicated NR solution" arrangement, and yes, I include PhotoLab in that proposition.

    The Noiseware plugin from Imagenomic is also pretty impressive.

    Oh, I'm not disputing that there's more than one dedicated NR solution out there - Neat Image is still very good too.
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  • Samoreen
    [quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
    Have you fully tested a properly-profiled Photo Ninja?


    I have been a Noise Ninja user long time ago but I didn't follow up when they switched to Photo Ninja. PN has not enough features to make me abandon LR, DPL or C1 whatever my final choice will be, even if their NR algorithms are better. However, since I'm also processing Fuji X-Trans RAW files (DPL can't handle these files), I could have a look at what PN does with such files.
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