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Full editing capture pro software for tablets?

stevepeddicord
Hey fellow photographers.

I have an issue, I have been contacting Phase one about and so far unsuccessful. Phase one is a bit stubborn on this topic. Ok so it is possible for capture pro to be modified as full editing software for iPads and other tablets made for editing software. I myself is not a fan of paying over $3K for a laptop and then carrying it around the world when I travel. On the other hand I can get an iPad Pro for $1,000. Easier to carry around when I travel. The iPad pro is new in the editing world and its awesome. Affinity Photo by Serrif which I also use works on all systems including the iPad, but the RAW converter isn't as great. I love Capture Pro RAW developing engine better then anyone else. When I did get a answer back from Capture pro on Instagram they were very rude in answering me and then blocked me instead of actually looking into this new area. I understand Capture has been running a certain way for certain systems over 20 yrs. But whats wrong with making some changes and making more money? Capture recently came out with new "styles" which are easily duplicated and not needing any type of purchase. Capture Pro like any business, is looking to make new revenue. Why not listen to this guy who has been a regular customer of phase one for years? Swallow your ego and pride and be open to new ideas. Thoughts?
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  • Christian Gruner
    We are always open to listening to ideas, and you are most welcome to file them in Feature Request to our Support Team. However, as a general principle, we can't comment on future product development.
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  • Steve Reid
    [quote="NN119275UL" wrote:
    Hey fellow photographers.

    I have an issue, I have been contacting Phase one about and so far unsuccessful. Phase one is a bit stubborn on this topic. Ok so it is possible for capture pro to be modified as full editing software for iPads and other tablets made for editing software. I myself is not a fan of paying over $3K for a laptop and then carrying it around the world when I travel. On the other hand I can get an iPad Pro for $1,000. Easier to carry around when I travel. The iPad pro is new in the editing world and its awesome. Affinity Photo by Serrif which I also use works on all systems including the iPad, but the RAW converter isn't as great. I love Capture Pro RAW developing engine better then anyone else. When I did get a answer back from Capture pro on Instagram they were very rude in answering me and then blocked me instead of actually looking into this new area. I understand Capture has been running a certain way for certain systems over 20 yrs. But whats wrong with making some changes and making more money? Capture recently came out with new "styles" which are easily duplicated and not needing any type of purchase. Capture Pro like any business, is looking to make new revenue. Why not listen to this guy who has been a regular customer of phase one for years? Swallow your ego and pride and be open to new ideas. Thoughts?

    +1 , and lots of other photographers I speak to want this too.
    Try Lightroom mobile it’s great , granted you can’t shoot tethered but you can import raws quickly and do a grade and adjustment layers. And can output a web gallery for client to see there and then , really slick workflow .
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  • SFA
    3 things.

    Firstly, are ipads really powerful enough to run the full C1 application (or any of the other for that matter) and do they have enough storage to make it worth the effort or are users shifting everything over the internet all the time?

    Secondly, for those of us not keen on Apple stuff, would there be an option for Android based devices to make the market balanced. (and presumably likely double the development and maintenance costs ....)

    Thirdly, what are the numbers for the profitability of these products?

    I'm wary because a few years ago I was a very keen user of a great application that got to the point, as many did around that time, of needing to be re-written to work with new Apple and Microsoft development tools and standards. Before that project started they produced a great little "easy usage " application that was clearly aimed at the portable market as it started to appear and mature. The major desktop development was never completed and the business shut down.

    Now they clearly did not have same width and depth of business as Phase have and so were quite exposed to any bad luck on timing and development effort over runs. Nevertheless it showed how susceptible developers can be to matters somewhat outside their control no matter what they do to try to widen their marketplace.

    The business case may not be as simple as we would like to think it might be.


    Grant
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  • Permanently deleted user
    [quote="NN264950UL" wrote:
    [quote="NN119275UL" wrote:
    Hey fellow photographers.

    I have an issue, I have been contacting Phase one about and so far unsuccessful. Phase one is a bit stubborn on this topic. Ok so it is possible for capture pro to be modified as full editing software for iPads and other tablets made for editing software. I myself is not a fan of paying over $3K for a laptop and then carrying it around the world when I travel. On the other hand I can get an iPad Pro for $1,000. Easier to carry around when I travel. The iPad pro is new in the editing world and its awesome. Affinity Photo by Serrif which I also use works on all systems including the iPad, but the RAW converter isn't as great. I love Capture Pro RAW developing engine better then anyone else. When I did get a answer back from Capture pro on Instagram they were very rude in answering me and then blocked me instead of actually looking into this new area. I understand Capture has been running a certain way for certain systems over 20 yrs. But whats wrong with making some changes and making more money? Capture recently came out with new "styles" which are easily duplicated and not needing any type of purchase. Capture Pro like any business, is looking to make new revenue. Why not listen to this guy who has been a regular customer of phase one for years? Swallow your ego and pride and be open to new ideas. Thoughts?

    +1 , and lots of other photographers I speak to want this too.
    Try Lightroom mobile it’s great , granted you can’t shoot tethered but you can import raws quickly and do a grade and adjustment layers. And can output a web gallery for client to see there and then , really slick workflow .

    What y'all saying is that Phase should catch up to an incredibly volatile consumer trend. Of all things I've seen proposed in the past year and a half, that's about the worst.

    Let Adobe rein their puddle of money.
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  • Pavel Voronenko
    Agree. We need the tablet edition, but it'd be another platform for PhaseOne. Additional to OSx and Windows...
    And new issues - how to connect to cameras, portable storages... Just to say...
    [quote="SFA" wrote:
    3 things.

    Firstly, are ipads really powerful enough to run the full C1 application (or any of the other for that matter) and do they have enough storage to make it worth the effort or are users shifting everything over the internet all the time?

    Secondly, for those of us not keen on Apple stuff, would there be an option for Android based devices to make the market balanced. (and presumably likely double the development and maintenance costs ....)

    Thirdly, what are the numbers for the profitability of these products?

    I'm wary because a few years ago I was a very keen user of a great application that got to the point, as many did around that time, of needing to be re-written to work with new Apple and Microsoft development tools and standards. Before that project started they produced a great little "easy usage " application that was clearly aimed at the portable market as it started to appear and mature. The major desktop development was never completed and the business shut down.

    Now they clearly did not have same width and depth of business as Phase have and so were quite exposed to any bad luck on timing and development effort over runs. Nevertheless it showed how susceptible developers can be to matters somewhat outside their control no matter what they do to try to widen their marketplace.

    The business case may not be as simple as we would like to think it might be.


    Grant
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  • Ian Wilson
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    I'm not convinced we do need the tablet edition, to be honest.

    Ian
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  • Stephen Christy
    I am new to Capture One (currently in my trial period with the software) as another Lightroom refugee. I was moved to post in this thread because there is a question that has always puzzled me in the context of what is being discussed.

    If you are doing photography in some remote location (for example, on a wildlife safari) where it is impractical to take your MacBook Pro (for example)—but feasible to carry an iPad—how do you cope with labelling the photos you have taken and wish to keep? (So that, of course, you will remember all the relevant details when you arrive home.)

    I have little personal interest in an app that allows me full-scale editing in the field. However, I am really interested in an app that will allow me, on my iPad, to carry out in the field a preliminary rough cull and, most importantly, complete basic IPTC metadata and, preferably, keywording.

    I originally used Photosmith (no longer developed) with Lightroom and have currently kludged together some awfully cumbersome workaround using another app (which worked with Lightroom but I've not yet tested with Capture One). It does seem to me that the field is wide open for some basic app that facilitates this sort of thing—and, of course, then allows the data to be carried over into the catalogue on return home.

    What do others do?

    Stephen
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  • Permanently deleted user
    [quote="NNN636440034133450616" wrote:
    I am new to Capture One (currently in my trial period with the software) as another Lightroom refugee. I was moved to post in this thread because there is a question that has always puzzled me in the context of what is being discussed.

    If you are doing photography in some remote location (for example, on a wildlife safari) where it is impractical to take your MacBook Pro (for example)—but feasible to carry an iPad—how do you cope with labelling the photos you have taken and wish to keep? (So that, of course, you will remember all the relevant details when you arrive home.)

    I have little personal interest in an app that allows me full-scale editing in the field. However, I am really interested in an app that will allow me, on my iPad, to carry out in the field a preliminary rough cull and, most importantly, complete basic IPTC metadata and, preferably, keywording.

    I originally used Photosmith (no longer developed) with Lightroom and have currently kludged together some awfully cumbersome workaround using another app (which worked with Lightroom but I've not yet tested with Capture One). It does seem to me that the field is wide open for some basic app that facilitates this sort of thing—and, of course, then allows the data to be carried over into the catalogue on return home.

    What do others do?

    Stephen


    What you are asking for is basically Media Pro for iPad. That might be feasible.

    I personally have good memory, don't overshoot, and bring enough memory cards.
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  • nbirkett
    [quote="NNN636440034133450616" wrote:
    If you are doing photography in some remote location (for example, on a wildlife safari) where it is impractical to take your MacBook Pro (for example)—but feasible to carry an iPad—how do you cope with labelling the photos you have taken and wish to keep? (So that, of course, you will remember all the relevant details when you arrive home.)
    Stephen


    I am puzzled. What about SD card back-up? If you are in a remote location like that, you are unlikely to have a good WiFi connection to upload 100's of photos a day to the cloud. AFAIK the iPad Pro does not allow the use of an external disc (can you back-up to an external SD card?). Even the biggest iPad (512GB) is going to be limited as a back-up storage medium. Having a macBook along gives you the ability to back-up to external USB drive(s) as well as have the option to cull photos, keyword, etc. A 13" MBP is essentially the same size as the larger iPad Pro (about 1/3" thicker) although it does weight more (3lb vs 1.5lbs).

    Like other posters, I can't see a huge market for sophisticated photoediting software for an iPad until Apple provides a way to access external drives. A DAM package - maybe.
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  • cdc
    Why are you focused on an ipad when there are plenty of windows based hybrids that will run CO1 with the form & function of a tablet?

    I've not done any research on those machines but it seems to be a viable option that you can move to today.
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  • Stephen Christy
    [quote="cdc" wrote:
    Why are you focused on an ipad when there are plenty of windows based hybrids that will run CO1 with the form & function of a tablet?


    I accept that might be a possible solution for some. Unfortunately in my case it is not because I rely on a journal app which runs on both my iPad and my MacBook Pro and which holds many years' worth of journals (or diaries, as we English say) - and which I use to keep my journal when away.

    In my case it's really not worth changing the OS ecosystem simply for the benefit of one app. There is already too much value for me in using the iPad (and not simply for the journal app).

    [quote="nbirkett" wrote:
    I am puzzled. What about SD card back-up? If you are in a remote location like that, you are unlikely to have a good WiFi connection to upload 100's of photos a day to the cloud.


    I'm an amateur and would rarely take hundreds of photos a day - although, of course, that in itself doesn't mean backup isn't important.

    [quote="nbirkett" wrote:
    AFAIK the iPad Pro does not allow the use of an external disc (can you back-up to an external SD card?). Even the biggest iPad (512GB) is going to be limited as a back-up storage medium.


    I use the camera connection kit to connect my camera to my iPad and effectively backup my RAW photos to the iPad. I've never yet run out of storage on the iPad while away. I appreciate there may be little size difference between an iPad and a small MacBook Pro but often weight is a significant consideration when I travel (for example, for flights in small aircraft when I already have some rather heavy camera equipment with me).

    [quote="nbirkett" wrote:
    Like other posters, I can't see a huge market for sophisticated photoediting software for an iPad until Apple provides a way to access external drives. A DAM package - maybe.


    That's exactly my point. I really don't want or need sophisticated photo editing software. All I need are some pretty basic DAM functions on the iPad - with an ability to transfer the results into Capture One on return home.

    I appreciate everyone's thoughts - even if there is clearly nobody else on this planet who seems to have the same needs as me. 😄

    Stephen
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  • ---
    it is rather easy to predict what the future will bring - more powerful, faster tablet computer. so developing an app for the iPad is an investment in the future but it needs a vision, just porting c1 for iOS will not be enough.
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  • SFA
    Most of my travel related photographic activity is by road so taking the required computer kit is not a problem.

    Some years ago I was heading for a long weekend trip that was likely to result in several thousand images so I needed some sort of storage solution preferably with basic image viewing and even some editing capability. Going by air meant keeping everything small in size and weight.

    I realised that a Windows based Netbook was the most logical solution at the time. Not expensive, decent internal storage for the time (320Gb), external disk support, built in SD card reader but can also use a plug in card reader. Also not much more cost than an additional portable disk drive at the time!

    A lot of Windows programs can run on it although it only offers a reduced version of Windows 7 (Also an old version of Android but let's ignore that).

    I put a copy of Faststone Mobile on to a memory stick so that it can be used on any suitable device and packed a small card reader for CF/SD cards and an external 2.5 inch hard drive

    That gave me everything I needed to make copies for back up and a pretty good way to view and present images and undertake some editing if I felt the need.


    Faststone (A free application for personal use) offers visibility of a file's Exif data and has a "Comments" feature for JPG files.

    It occurs to me that by shooting RAW + (small) jpg one could use the comments facility when travelling and then match the images when back at base and copy the comments from the jpg EXIF to a suitable IPTC field or via aome other application, perhaps XMP based , to associate it with the related RAW file.

    With thousands of file from a short shoot I was not about to attempt that level of detail but in principle it sound to me like it could work for you based on you comments about how many shots you might take.

    Other then the Netbook part of it I would be surprised if there was no software in the world of Apple to support the same conceptual approach.

    The external drive connectivity problem (for backups?) is not a big issue provided you have some power connectivity available regularly during trip. In my solution enough spare SD cards would also work!

    I also have an Airstash device (other brands of similar devices are available these days) that uses an SD card (or cards since they are removable) as the storage associated with a local wireless network connection that it creates. It's powered by its internal battery and works with Mac or Windows. Very small, and light.

    The underlying point of all of this is that there must surely be some solutions for the technical aspects of connectivity and anything that allows some form of comment to be recorded (along with a file name if necessary) and might be data source for an XMP file entry by some method could surely be made to work effectively, or so I would hope.

    HTH.


    Grant
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  • Stephen Christy
    [quote="SFA" wrote:
    The underlying point of all of this is that there must surely be some solutions for the technical aspects of connectivity and anything that allows some form of comment to be recorded (along with a file name if necessary) and might be data source for an XMP file entry by some method could surely be made to work effectively, or so I would hope.


    Thank you for the thoughtful and helpful response. What you say (in the part I have quoted) is certainly true for the Apple ecosystem—but, at present, it is something of a kludge. I can label and keyword my RAW files using an app on the iPad. However, on returning home I have to (1) transfer the relevant (i.e., non-culled) files from iPad to MacBook Pro (which is obviously fine) and (2) then transfer the .xmp sidecar files and copy them to the same folder as the transferred RAWs...and only then rename the photos (obviously automatically renaming the sidecar files at the same time).

    I'm sure I'll be able to refine the system a little using Capture One (e.g., by renaming on ingest) but it still doesn't feel terribly elegant. It is, however, better than pen and paper in the field. 😄

    Stephen
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  • SFA
    [quote="NNN636440034133450616" wrote:
    [quote="SFA" wrote:
    The underlying point of all of this is that there must surely be some solutions for the technical aspects of connectivity and anything that allows some form of comment to be recorded (along with a file name if necessary) and might be data source for an XMP file entry by some method could surely be made to work effectively, or so I would hope.


    Thank you for the thoughtful and helpful response. What you say (in the part I have quoted) is certainly true for the Apple ecosystem—but, at present, it is something of a kludge. I can label and keyword my RAW files using an app on the iPad. However, on returning home I have to (1) transfer the relevant (i.e., non-culled) files from iPad to MacBook Pro (which is obviously fine) and (2) then transfer the .xmp sidecar files and copy them to the same folder as the transferred RAWs...and only then rename the photos (obviously automatically renaming the sidecar files at the same time).

    I'm sure I'll be able to refine the system a little using Capture One (e.g., by renaming on ingest) but it still doesn't feel terribly elegant. It is, however, better than pen and paper in the field. 😄

    Stephen


    Can you not save the XMP files in the same place as the RAW files on the iPad then just copy everything over in one go?

    But even in a 2 step process it does not sound too onerous if that is the way you want to work.

    Or have I missed something?



    Grant
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  • Stephen Christy
    [quote="SFA" wrote:


    Can you not save the XMP files in the same place as the RAW files on the iPad then just copy everything over in one go?


    You've not really missed anything. I simply did not explain previously that the iPad app that allows me to edit the IPTC metadata doesn't allow export of RAW files (but only jpeg or tiff files)—although it does allow separate export of the .xmp sidecars. The result is that I have to export the RAW files from the Photos app and the sidecars from the other app—then reunite everything on the MacBook Pro. That is partially automated by the wonderful Hazel app which automatically puts the .xmp files in the correct folder when they're downloaded.

    I agree the whole procedure is not insuperably complex. I'm merely surprised that there never seem to be sufficient others in my position happy to pay for one single iOS app that would make the entire process a little more of a pleasure.

    Stephen
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  • Steve Reid
    I am puzzled. What about SD card back-up? If you are in a remote location like that, you are unlikely to have a good WiFi connection to upload 100's of photos a day to the cloud. AFAIK the iPad Pro does not allow the use of an external disc (can you back-up to an external SD card?). Even the biggest iPad (512GB) is going to be limited as a back-up storage medium. Having a macBook along gives you the ability to back-up to external USB drive(s) as well as have the option to cull photos, keyword, etc. A 13" MBP is essentially the same size as the larger iPad Pro (about 1/3" thicker) although it does weight more (3lb vs 1.5lbs).

    Like other posters, I can't see a huge market for sophisticated photoediting software for an iPad until Apple provides a way to access external drives. A DAM package - maybe.


    I don’t see it any more difficult than backing up a laptop, a touch slower depending if you use an external SSD , but for a normal 5200rpm drive similar.
    This is my workflow for location shooting.
    So you shoot to SD card , you could shoot to CF card as well for dual backup and store these safely.
    I import from SD card to iPad Pro. My raws are now in my iPad, I have Lightroom mobile setup to auto import all new images on my iPad photos.
    Therefore I have 2 copies of my raws (in photos)and in Lightroom. Now this does take up double storage until you can sync with adobe cloud (one Lightroom is synced , basically uploaded all the raws it will delete them from the iPad, but still have smart previews stored you can still edit without any WiFi connection.

    And we still have the SD cards, keep them safe like your ‘old’ backup hard drive - remember don’t delete images on cards after import.
    This is good enough for me, however you can actually backup from iPad.

    If You wish to do a backup to feel like you’ve done one and feel safer then you can
    - there are many usb flash drives that do work with the iPad via their own software apps. Which allow you to copy photos from the Apple photo app/ camera roll to the flash drive.
    There is also micro sd card dongles which do the same, plus there’s battery powered WiFi hard drives for backing up without any power from iPads.
    Apple is coming round to opening up the file structure and have included a ‘`files & folders ‘ app with iOS11.

    Plus you can always have your laptop to hand when you get back to base , hotel and copy SD CArds to laptop/ backup drive for more safety net, or import them all to capture one , and simply use Lightroom as a temp field review tool.

    An iPad last about 4 times as long battery life as a MacBook Pro, and it’s easier to charge on the go with cheap power packs.
    But yes a 13†MBP is a great option, epscially if you need to shoot tethered, however it is an expensive tool and harder to charge on the go, lucky to last a half day.

    When I get back to a decent fast internet connection i’ll Sync Lightroom on iPad - this means it will backup / upload all my raws from shoot , with adjustments , folders & albums. I’ll normally do this overnight.
    Then when back at my studio , Lightroom will sync with these uploaded raws and new folders & albums created to my desktop system
    You do need a pretty fast fibre broadband for this to be relatively quick.

    A 256gb ipad should be enough for a day or twos shoot to hold 100gb in photos and 100gb in Lightroom.
    If you’re going to do something like a safari for a week it might not be practical , but what is in that circumstance without power?
    For a normal location shoot , where you have access to power and internet in the evening it’s fine.

    Though I do wish we could shoot tethered straight into Lightroom mobile - and preferably Capture one (when / if they build a iPad app)
    But with a `canon 5D Mkiv you can at least preview images shot live via WiFi and Canon Connect iPad app. So I can check exposure, composition, focus etc as I’m shooting. And show art director and client to see everyone’s happy.



    If you aren’t going to get a fast connection to backup/sync with the adobe cloud then there’s a few options to make you feel covered.
    1. Save your SD cards Don’t delete images after import and keep safe - this is your backup ‘drive’ equivalent. SD cards are cheap, have a pile -even a really busy shoot will be only 80-100GB a day.
    2. Back at home / location base , hotel etc . Have your laptop there then you can back up the cards to a hard drive
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  • Pavel Voronenko
    I would prefer to have "a lighter version" of C1, capable to work on entry-level laptops, like Macbook Air (or Macbook no "Pro")...
    The same OS, can work with external drives, very light, well designed...
    If it'd be just a Session version + tethering, I'm Ok

    Just as idea 😲)
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  • Jochen Schmidt
    Apps lime Affinity Photo demonstrate quite impressive what an iPad can do today. This is a feature complete full editing app. I also use it on Mac and Windows (it replaced Photoshop for me) - since the 10.5 iPad Pro I actually do work on the iPad more satisfying than on the Mac.

    Lightroom Mobile is cool too but I really would like to see the C1 RAW Engine on iPads.
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  • ---
    [quote="Neonsquare" wrote:
    Apps lime Affinity Photo demonstrate quite impressive what an iPad can do today. This is a feature complete full editing app. I also use it on Mac and Windows (it replaced Photoshop for me) - since the 10.5 iPad Pro I actually do work on the iPad more satisfying than on the Mac.

    Lightroom Mobile is cool too but I really would like to see the C1 RAW Engine on iPads.


    phaseones is not very visionary as you can see on the hardware side too or maybe they are only listening to the wrong people. just porting c1 for the iPad is unnecessary and boring but they could see it as an opportunity and start from scratch with new tools to reduce post production time and improve image quality. the iPad is the perfect companion for the new mirrorless cameras hope they think about it.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    [quote="Horseoncowboy " wrote:

    phaseones is not very visionary as you can see on the hardware side too or maybe they are only listening to the wrong people. just porting c1 for the iPad is unnecessary and boring but they could see it as an opportunity and start from scratch with new tools to reduce post production time and improve image quality. the iPad is the perfect companion for the new mirrorless cameras hope they think about it.

    Maybe they could open an experimental branch called 'One Hipster Phase'.
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  • ---
    [quote="gusferlizi" wrote:
    [quote="Horseoncowboy " wrote:

    phaseones is not very visionary as you can see on the hardware side too or maybe they are only listening to the wrong people. just porting c1 for the iPad is unnecessary and boring but they could see it as an opportunity and start from scratch with new tools to reduce post production time and improve image quality. the iPad is the perfect companion for the new mirrorless cameras hope they think about it.

    Maybe they could open an experimental branch called 'One Hipster Phase'.



    yeah would be a perfect match for their other hipster business.. overpriced presets
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  • Permanently deleted user
    [quote="Horseoncowboy " wrote:
    [quote="gusferlizi" wrote:
    [quote="Horseoncowboy " wrote:

    phaseones is not very visionary as you can see on the hardware side too or maybe they are only listening to the wrong people. just porting c1 for the iPad is unnecessary and boring but they could see it as an opportunity and start from scratch with new tools to reduce post production time and improve image quality. the iPad is the perfect companion for the new mirrorless cameras hope they think about it.

    Maybe they could open an experimental branch called 'One Hipster Phase'.



    yeah would be a perfect match for their other hipster business.. overpriced presets


    Indeed!! 😂
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