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Help! All pictures are flat/grey

NN109669UL4
Hallo.

The problem:
All the jpgs produced in PhaseOne 5.2.1 are not really nice.
The colors are not fresh and colored how in Raw. It is hwo a grey-layer overall.

In a Testrun of PhaseOne 5pro the Problem wars not exist.

It is the same problem witch and witout any modifikation in process from PhaseOne.

Thanks

Maik
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  • Drew Altdo
    Maik,
    You should list your Color Workflow settings here so other users can be of some assistance. It sounds to me that you're using a CMYK output profile under Perceptual Render, which would show correct color that may be perceived as grey/flat when really it is accurately reflecting your paper white point in the Softproof.
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    I was thinking in the same direction as Drew. Often, user process their images to a large RGB color workspace like AdobeRGB or ProPhotoRGB or embed the camera profile. That is fine unless you review your images in a tool that is not color managed and assumes all is sRGB. Then image look flat and low in saturation. Maybe you can give is more details about your workflow, in particular your color workflow so we can help you.
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  • NN109669UL4
    I Dont know if i understand you right:

    Is it this?
    http://www.bilddatenbank-sachsen.de/bilder/2.gif
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Yes!
    Where it reads "ICC-Profil -> Adobe RGB 1998", change that (for testing) to sRGB, process an image and let us know.

    Also, you might want to share with us how you review your processed JPEG images.
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  • NN109669UL4
    Hallo,

    Thank you.
    I review in ACDsee 3.0pro
    With sRGB is the same result.
    I post you the properties of the jpg and raw.
    Can the color-deep are the problem? Where can i change it in PhaseOne?
    See the sample please, the jpg is below. The same result with all ICC-Profiles. But we need AdobeRGB for Stock.

    http://www.bilddatenbank-sachsen.de/bilder/3.gif http://www.bilddatenbank-sachsen.de/bilder/4.gifhttp://www.bilddatenbank-sachsen.de/bilder/6.gif

    Maik
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  • Aztecaphoto
    Is your default curve set to "linear"? It looks like...
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Second suggestion: open your processed JPEGs (either with AdobeRGB or sRGB) with Capture One. How does it look compared to the original raw preview?
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  • NN109669UL4
    Hallo.

    @Juan: Do you mean the "gradationskurve" (German)
    If i change to contrast than the resut is a little better but not OK.

    Where i change the standard?

    @Paul: The review in Capture has a good result. between sRGB and Adobe is not really a different to see.
    Compared to the original raw: The raw has a little more contrast.

    Thanks: Maik
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    [quote="NN109669UL" wrote:
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    @Paul: The review in Capture has a good result. between sRGB and Adobe is not really a different to see.
    Compared to the original raw: The raw has a little more contrast.

    This basically tells me that the raw is processed properly. Different workspaces (sRGB or AdobeRGB) are not visible on screen in general and in particular not with JPEG) so that is correct too. The fact that sRGB versus AdobeRGB does not give different results when viewing in either ACDsee or Capture One confirms this as well.

    Where it seems to go wrong (it is an assumption on my behalf) is how ACDsee displays your output files. This can be a ACDsee setting or an issue between ACDsee and your operating system or the monitor profile. How was performance in the past? Did you upgrade any software, installed on a new system or calibrated your monitor? Is your version of ACDsee compatible with your version of Windows?
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  • NN109669UL4
    Oh ... many questions!

    [quote="Paul_E" wrote:

    Where it seems to go wrong (it is an assumption on my behalf) is how ACDsee displays your output files. This can be a ACDsee setting or an issue between ACDsee and your operating system or the monitor profile. How was performance in the past? Did you upgrade any software, installed on a new system or calibrated your monitor? Is your version of ACDsee compatible with your version of Windows?


    The view in Photoshop v 6(old) is the same bad.
    The Monitor is not really calibrated.
    BUt it is not only the view, the pisture are printed in a profilabor are also gray /flat.

    In the past the problem was not ever exist. 6-8Months ago the problem was visible and than 3 Months ago the pictures are cleen an very nice.
    In this Time i never changed the System. ASDSee is the same.
    I installed 1 time a Test version 30days from AdOBECS4 or 5. It is now deinstalled.

    Can tis be a Licenseproblem with CaptureOne5.x. I´ve board a 3.7LE Version few years age.
    I work with the same lisence-Key in Version 5. Is This the Problem?
    The menu from the properties in my programm is different to helpbook description.
    For Example_: Point: Color This not exist in my running version.
    http://www.bilddatenbank-sachsen.de/bilder/7.gif
    License:
    http://www.bilddatenbank-sachsen.de/bilder/8.gif
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    I went back to your earlier post where you stated that with sRGB you have the same problem. However, the property sheet of the JPEG states that you developed to AdobeRGB.

    Please note that when you process to the AdobeRGB color space, and review or print the image without proper color management (which takes the AdobeRGB color space into account and translates it back to your monitor or printer or labor), the image will look dull, grey and flat as you showed.

    Please process a few image to sRGB (sRGB IEC61966-2.1 is the full name). You can set this in the output tool tab you showed earlier in this discussion. Keep them separate from other processed images and compare.

    Regarding your other notes (thank you for that): the CO5 license is not the problem, surprised that you are able to use a CO 3 LE license for CO5, but lucky you!
    Because you have the basic or regular version of CO5 you do not have the Color menu in the Preferences (Voreinstellungen).
    Photoshop 6 does not have proper color management (as ACDsee, I am afraid but not sure), so it can not display images with AdobeRGB properly. Same flat result.
    Most Profilabor and printshops can not print AdobeRGB images for the same reason with same result.

    Again, please check again because I think that sRGB is what you need if you do not have a color managed workflow (with proper color managed applications) setup.
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