Newbie Needing Help
Hi,
I am a new iMac owner (an early xmas prezzie) and have installed the trial version of C19. I have imported some images, no problems so far. The problem i have is with the interface layout. I have set it to the default workspace but everytime i start C1 the layout is fine until i enter full screen mode when all of the toolbars disappear. It's like they autohide. So i have to press 'show tools' and 'show viewer' etc. and no matter how i try i can't get the toolbar to show either. This woiuld be fine but i have to do this everytime i start C1. Anoying.
Is it me or am i doing something completely noobish?
Cheers. 😄
I am a new iMac owner (an early xmas prezzie) and have installed the trial version of C19. I have imported some images, no problems so far. The problem i have is with the interface layout. I have set it to the default workspace but everytime i start C1 the layout is fine until i enter full screen mode when all of the toolbars disappear. It's like they autohide. So i have to press 'show tools' and 'show viewer' etc. and no matter how i try i can't get the toolbar to show either. This woiuld be fine but i have to do this everytime i start C1. Anoying.
Is it me or am i doing something completely noobish?
Cheers. 😄
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[quote="NN635856431441462984UL" wrote:
Hi,
I am a new iMac owner (an early xmas prezzie) and have installed the trial version of C19. I have imported some images, no problems so far. The problem i have is with the interface layout. I have set it to the default workspace but everytime i start C1 the layout is fine until i enter full screen mode when all of the toolbars disappear. It's like they autohide. So i have to press 'show tools' and 'show viewer' etc. and no matter how i try i can't get the toolbar to show either. This woiuld be fine but i have to do this everytime i start C1. Anoying.
Is it me or am i doing something completely noobish?
Cheers. 😄
When you go to full screen mode the adjustment controls and the browser auto-hide. You should see two arrow heads, one for the controls and one for the browser, on the full screen. Hovering over these will open the controls associated. It is not necessary, or even advantageous, to use the show and hide commands.
If your browser is set to display at the bottom, the browser arrowhead will be at the bottom. If it is displayed on the left, the arrowhead will be one the left. Similarly the controls arrowhead will be where the controls were. If you don't see the "arrow heads" when you initially go to full-screen mode, just move your cursor to the middle of the left, right or bottom of the screen where the controls and browser were before you went to full-screen mode and you should see them. You can return from full-screen mode by pressing the escape key.
Personally I think this is a very nice arrangement. I have used C1 in dual screen mode with the controls and browser on one screen and the image on the second, but I think the single full-screen mode may be more convenient.
As for doing something "noobish", we all have to learn sometimes and I shudder when I think of all of the stuff I used to go through to do what I now know are relatively simple things in C1. The UI is a bit complex so learning can take some time. But welcome to the community!0 -
Hi Mike, thank you for the information and comprehensive answer.
I am a windows convert having used windows all my life. Now in my mid 50's i have decided to go the imac route as the 5K screen was far too tempting. So i was kinda thinking it was me not the C1 ui.
When i compare the windows version to the iMac the full screen mode (in windows) does not offer the 'arrow heads' - all of the relevant toolbars and menus are fully visible. Whilst this may be an iMac foible i would rather have all of the controls / toolbars etc fully visible when i enter full screen mode. I'm not a great fan of autohide.
Is there any way i can have ALL of the toolbars, adjustment controls and browser visible in full screen mode and have that set as default so when i re-open C1 they are all visible when using C1 in full screen mode?
Thanks in advance for your help. I'm sure i will get there with using C1 it looks a fantastic RAW processor. Having used LR i really do prefer C1.
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[quote="NN635856431441462984UL" wrote:
Whilst this may be an iMac foible i would rather have all of the controls / toolbars etc fully visible when i enter full screen mode. I'm not a great fan of autohide.
To the best of my knowledge the answer is no, but ...
First, welcome to the Mac. I understand the transition from Windows to the Mac as I was a software engineer (until I retired) often writing code for Windows machines and had them (i.e., Windows machines) exclusively until about 3 years ago when I bought my first Mac. The change was a bit of a challenge, but I would not care to go back now. Hang in there and I think you will find that there is much to like about the Mac and you don't have to worry about all of those service packs ... 😊 Now, as to your question.
I am not aware of any way to automatically start full screen mode with both the browser and the tools visible. However C1 is a very configurable tool and both the show/hide browser and the show/hide tools can be done through a single keystroke. That is, much of the C1 functionality can be accessed by keyboard shortcuts and C1 offers the ability to configure those keyboard shortcuts to your liking.
The show/hide browser functionality can be accessed using the control-B key code. That is, after starting C1 and going to full-screen (which can also be done through a keyboard shortcut) simply press the control and B keys at the same time and the browser will show (and stay showing). To have it disappear, simply press those keys again. Similarly the tools can be shown or hidden by pressing the command and T keys together and, again, press them again to hide the tools.
This is not exactly configuring the system as you want, but it does make it a lot easier, at least in my opinion. Further, if you don't like the specified key combinations you can set up you own custom keystrokes to do that. Simply go to the Capture On 9 icon at the top of the C1 menu bar, press it and the select Edit Keyboard Shortcuts. That will bring up the keyboard shortcut dialog box and you can go to the View section and change the existing shortcuts to something that will be easy for you to remember and use.
Almost all of the C1 functionality can be set to be used through keyboard shortcuts. The existing shortcuts can be found at Help -> Keyboard Shortcut Summary but many of the existing commands do not currently have keyboard shortcuts defined and you can do pretty much what you want in the keyboard shortcut dialog box (the one accessible from the Capture One 9 -> Edit Keyboard Shortcuts command). If you look carefully through those tabs you will see that pretty much everything that is accessible from the menu commands can be accessed with a shortcut. For me that is too much to remember, but I have configured those things that I use frequently to something that I can remember and it saves me a lot of work and makes editing photos a lot easier and more fun.
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Thank you for the answer Mike. I appreciate your time in answering me.
I am getting to grips with the Mac and have enjoyed what i have seen thus far. I'm sure it will be worth the transition, especially as that 5K screen is awesome and will make editing my photos a more pleasant experience, even if i can't start C1 full screen as i'd like. 😊
One more question though, the very top toolbar (which houses crop, pan, select etc. this is also hidden on full screen. Is there a keyboard shortcut to show that too?
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One more thing about a full-screen mode alternative.
If you have two monitors you can set your system up so that the browser and controls (and image) are displayed on one screen and use the C1 "Viewer" as a full screen image on the second. This allows you to have the browser and adjustment tools always visible and accessible but also have the image being adjusted always in full-screen mode on the second monitor. This is how I have been using C1 for a while now.
It is not exactly what you were asking about, but perhaps it is an alternative in that it does solve the problem of having to manually open and close the browser and tools using the keyboard shortcuts if is not something that appeals to you.0 -
[quote="NN635856431441462984UL" wrote:
Thank you for the answer Mike. I appreciate your time in answering me.
One more question though, the very top toolbar (which houses crop, pan, select etc. this is also hidden on full screen. Is there a keyboard shortcut to show that too?
Again, the answer is Yes and No.
First, there is no defined keyboard shortcut for that although you can define one. I have defined one on my system as control-command-T and, as with the others, using that keyboard shortcut displays the menu and, when used a second time, hides it.
Second, there is a catch in that the top menu you are talking about will only show when you move your cursor to the top of the screen. That is, if you have the show menu turned on, it will appear when you move your cursor to the top of the screen. If you have it turned off, it will not show when you move your cursor to the top of the screen. Apparently C1 takes full-screen to mean full-screen.
There is a keyboard shortcut for almost everything you may want to do.
And, as an aside, I also used to use Lightroom. In fact I had the CC Photography package from Adobe, but stopped using it almost exactly one year ago when I started using CaptureOne as my main workflow tool and Affinity Photo as my pixel editor. For what it is worth I think CaptureOne is the best workflow tool I have ever used, and I have used several including Dxo's Optics Pro as well as Lightroom, ACDSee's Pro 3 (on Windows), PhotoNinja and some lesser known tools. Now I use CaptureOne exclusively.0 -
Hi Mike,
Thanks for your help, i'm getting to think that i will just have to try and get used to the new layout. But it's kind of strange that on windows the GUI is laid out differently than that of a Mac.
I too used Lightroom and was bowled over by the quality of C1 as a Raw converter. As i have my new Mac i will definitely be purchasing C1 (although i'm not too sure how the performance / stability is with El Capitain yet) and also purchase Google Nik software to go with it. I just love the control points Nik software offers.0 -
[quote="NN635856431441462984UL" wrote:
I too used Lightroom and was bowled over by the quality of C1 as a Raw converter. As i have my new Mac i will definitely be purchasing C1 (although i'm not too sure how the performance / stability is with El Capitain yet) and also purchase Google Nik software to go with it. I just love the control points Nik software offers.
I am not familiar with the Nik software so perhaps this is a silly question. Will C1 work with your Nik stuff?
C1 does not support plugins and I have to call my Topaz plugins through either an actual editor (Affinity Photo or Photoshop) or through the Topaz tools Fusion Express2 or photoFXlab. Do the Nik plugins come in app format so you can call them directly from C1? Or do you have some other mechanism to call them?0 -
Hi Mike, That is a good question actually, I have installed the Nik Collection and in C1 it has the option to 'edit in'. When i click edit in it lists all the programs that, i'm guessing, that C1 can round trip to.
I have just tried it and C1 reports that it cannot load the file for some reason. Maybe this cannnot be done but here is a video showing that someone has managed to do it...maybe it'll work with Topaz and similar programs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXWRxyc6Bpg
But so far i am unable to do this myself. C1 reports an error "could not process file". But to be fair to C1 it won't do it in Lightroom either. So i'm back to the 'is it my Mac knowledge' that is restricting me.
Either way if i get it to work i'll report back.0 -
[quote="NN635856431441462984UL" wrote:
Hi Mike, That is a good question actually, I have installed the Nik Collection and in C1 it has the option to 'edit in'. When i click edit in it lists all the programs that, i'm guessing, that C1 can round trip to.
I have just tried it and C1 reports that it cannot load the file for some reason. Maybe this cannnot be done but here is a video showing that someone has managed to do it...maybe it'll work with Topaz and similar programs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXWRxyc6Bpg
But so far i am unable to do this myself. C1 reports an error "could not process file". But to be fair to C1 it won't do it in Lightroom either. So i'm back to the 'is it my Mac knowledge' that is restricting me.
Either way if i get it to work i'll report back.
This is, I suspect, a more complex issue than it seems at first. The C1 Edit With and Open In calls both call an external editing application, not a plugin. The difference is that Edit With creates a separate image file (tiff or jpg) with C1 edits and adjustments and sends that to the external app and Open In sends the original file without any edits. Both can be used if the external editor is capable of opening the files being sent to it by C1. If you are editing raw images you probably want to restrict yourself to the Edit With call as the external editor is probably not going to be able to save your file as a raw image and that means that any file saved will not be in the C1 catalog or session and will not display until explicitly imported. This may vary if you are using dng files. If you are editing jpgs or tiffs you can use either.
I use Topaz and Topaz markets both plugins and apps so every plugin has both a .plugin and a .app file. The reasonable assumption is that although I can not call a plugin from C1 I should be able to call the "plugin" app. However, for some reason, that process fails and the Topaz app never actually starts. To use the Topaz plugins I have to use one of the two external editor apps that Topaz makes available for that purpose - photoFXlab or Fusion Express2 (the second is free). These are actual apps and can be called using the Edit With functionality and then the user picks which plugin he or she wishes to call from it. After editing the updated image file is returned to C1. I do not know if there is any equivalent app available from Nik. Nor do I know if Nik gives both .plugin and .app versions of each "plugin".
You might want to look on your system to see if you can find the .app version of the Nik software you want to call and, if so, you can then call it from the Edit With dialog box by clicking on the dropdown box next to the Open With text. That will bring up a separate browser and you can navigate to the location of the app and call it that way.
You are not restricted to the apps that you see displayed in the Edit With dialog box. I do not know how C1 decides which apps to list as available, but any competent external image editor can be called through the browser search mechanism. If you can find any Nik apps corresponding to your plugin you can try to call them directly. I do not know if they will work. Short of that you can see if Nik markets any .app that can be used to call the Nik plugins as I do with the Topaz plugins.
One last comment. The video you linked to makes it clear that the Nik B&W can be called from C1 so it must be available in .app format. You might look for the other Nik .app files in either the Application folder or in the Library/Application Support folder. The latter might be under Nik or Google, I just don't know since I do not have the Nik plugins.
I hope this is of some help.0 -
I have just tried it within windows (on my laptop) and it works. The process is pretty simple:
1. Click edit with.
2. C1 creates a TIFF for external editing.
3. Edit in NIk Software (i.e. Silver efex, HDR efex or Viveza or whatever).
4. Save back to C1 as an edited TIFF.
Now, the problem with my MAC is that i have all my images on an external USB 3 drive. However, this is formatted as NTFS, from my windows days, and all the files are 'Read Only'. So i'm thinking this is the issue. I'm going to copy some Raw files to my hard drive on my MAC and make sure they are not read only. I'll probably do that tomorrow and report back.
As always, thanks for your input / help.0 -
Hi Mike,
I'm happy to report that it works as i mentioned above on the MAC too.
The problem is exactly what i thought in that the files were 'Read Only' and C1 could not have access to them.
My next job is to copy ALL my photos from my USB3 drive to my hard drive, format the USB drive so that the MAC can read and write to it and then copy the files back to that drive. That'll see me busy until the New Year.
Happy Xmas to you Mike and thanks for the help.
Best Regards.0 -
[quote="NN635856431441462984UL" wrote:
I have just tried it within windows (on my laptop) and it works. The process is pretty simple:
1. Click edit with.
2. C1 creates a TIFF for external editing.
3. Edit in NIk Software (i.e. Silver efex, HDR efex or Viveza or whatever).
4. Save back to C1 as an edited TIFF.
Now, the problem with my MAC is that i have all my images on an external USB 3 drive. However, this is formatted as NTFS, from my windows days, and all the files are 'Read Only'. So i'm thinking this is the issue. I'm going to copy some Raw files to my hard drive on my MAC and make sure they are not read only. I'll probably do that tomorrow and report back.
As always, thanks for your input / help.
For what it is worth you might want to look into NTFS for the Mac by Paragon. I do not, and never have, worked for them, but I installed their software on my Mac and it makes it easy for me to read from and write to NTFS formatted file systems. That means that I can have a single external drive with photos that can be used on either a Mac or Windows machine.
As far as your Nik software is concerned, I am glad to hear you have it working. I tried changing the permissions on both the file system containing my binaries (as per the Topaz suggestions) and my images and I still can not call my Topaz plugin apps directly from C1 and have them work. I am pleased to hear that you do not have the same problem.0 -
[quote="MikeFromMesa" wrote:
[quote="NN635856431441462984UL" wrote:
I have just tried it within windows (on my laptop) and it works. The process is pretty simple:
1. Click edit with.
2. C1 creates a TIFF for external editing.
3. Edit in NIk Software (i.e. Silver efex, HDR efex or Viveza or whatever).
4. Save back to C1 as an edited TIFF.
Now, the problem with my MAC is that i have all my images on an external USB 3 drive. However, this is formatted as NTFS, from my windows days, and all the files are 'Read Only'. So i'm thinking this is the issue. I'm going to copy some Raw files to my hard drive on my MAC and make sure they are not read only. I'll probably do that tomorrow and report back.
As always, thanks for your input / help.
For what it is worth you might want to look into NTFS for the Mac by Paragon. I do not, and never have, worked for them, but I installed their software on my Mac and it makes it easy for me to read from and write to NTFS formatted file systems. That means that I can have a single external drive with photos that can be used on either a Mac or Windows machine.
As far as your Nik software is concerned, I am glad to hear you have it working. I tried changing the permissions on both the file system containing my binaries (as per the Topaz suggestions) and my images and I still can not call my Topaz plugin apps directly from C1 and have them work. I am pleased to hear that you do not have the same problem.
Thanks for the tip. Will certainly look Paragon up as that will save me a whole lot of pain if i could use something like that. As i have a NAS drive too i have already configured that in RAID 5 so i have no idea how thats going to pan out with access from my mac. I will cross that bridge when i get to it.
As for round tripping, i have looked at Topaz in the past but i prefer the NIK software. Being a Nikon user the Capture-NX2 had control points that, for me at least, are invaluable. Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on how you view it, Google purchased Nik software. Nikon then removed the control point software and issued Capture NX-D without the control points. Disaster. So it was onto Google Nik collection for me. I have seen comments on this forum where people want control points added to C1 it is that good. If you ever feel like giving it a try, Google offer a 14 day trial. It almost eliminates the need to do any masking. It's a terrific feature.0 -
[quote="NN635856431441462984UL" wrote:
Being a Nikon user the Capture-NX2 had control points that, for me at least, are invaluable. Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on how you view it, Google purchased Nik software. Nikon then removed the control point software and issued Capture NX-D without the control points. Disaster. So it was onto Google Nik collection for me. I have seen comments on this forum where people want control points added to C1 it is that good. If you ever feel like giving it a try, Google offer a 14 day trial. It almost eliminates the need to do any masking. It's a terrific feature.
I am a Canon user so I had to look up what your Control Point reference meant. As best that I can tell, it is the ability to set a color and adjust HSL for that color without adjusting other colors nearby. Is that correct?
If it is it sounds a lot like Dxo's multi-point color correction or C1's new color masking functionality. Or is it different? And, if so, how? I am asking because I am trying to see if the Nik plugins would give me anything I do not already have.
Thanks for any information.0 -
Hi Mike, this will give you a better idea of what it can do rather than me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USS7Li5 ... XCcgJzlS6q0 -
[quote="NN635856431441462984UL" wrote:
Hi Mike, this will give you a better idea of what it can do rather than me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USS7Li5 ... XCcgJzlS6q
Yes. Thank you. The video was quite interesting and impressive. I think I will check that out.0
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