Healing/Clone Brush Question
Got a question on the Healing/Clone brush.
It looks for all the masks on a single layer you only get a single source point at some vector and offset you can select, for all the masks generated.
Kinda hard to explain.
Say I create a new Clone Layer. Put a "Dot" mask in the center, then select the source 1" over and 1" up. Now create another "Dot" mask (On same layer), it uses the data 1" over and 1" up from that point. Which I could not image any image that all cloned areas are going to match up with data from some standard (selected) offset.
Trying to use this for any kind of skin retouching, would be a nightmare, as you still only have 10 layers to work with. Each pimple would have to be on it's own layer, and guess you could only fix 10 as that is the max number of layers.
I am also surprised that they still are limited to 10 layers. WTF it is 2014 almost 2015.
I hope I am missing something, or I am not sure upgrading is going to be worth it.
Robert
It looks for all the masks on a single layer you only get a single source point at some vector and offset you can select, for all the masks generated.
Kinda hard to explain.
Say I create a new Clone Layer. Put a "Dot" mask in the center, then select the source 1" over and 1" up. Now create another "Dot" mask (On same layer), it uses the data 1" over and 1" up from that point. Which I could not image any image that all cloned areas are going to match up with data from some standard (selected) offset.
Trying to use this for any kind of skin retouching, would be a nightmare, as you still only have 10 layers to work with. Each pimple would have to be on it's own layer, and guess you could only fix 10 as that is the max number of layers.
I am also surprised that they still are limited to 10 layers. WTF it is 2014 almost 2015.
I hope I am missing something, or I am not sure upgrading is going to be worth it.
Robert
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It pretty much says. "Well you can remove that one airplane from the sky, but for everything else you better use Photoshop" 0 -
Seriously? Bummer.
I haven't been able to check it out (no Mavericks yet), but the missing proper Healing Brush was pretty much the only feature that was keeping me from switching to CO completely. Not being able to do quick skin retouching in bulk images like events etc. is a complete turndown. I don't want to need to use Photoshop for this kind of work.
I so badly hoped that this would be implemented with CO 8. What a turndown! I still have Aperture, need to switch, and hate Lightroom. Now what?0 -
So the Healing/Cloning is useless unless you have less than 10 things to clean up and want to use all your layers available for that.
Robert0 -
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So the Healing/Cloning is useless unless you have less than 10 things to clean up and want to use all your layers available for that.
Robert
But the existing spot and dust tools have often been quite good for removing things like the odd stray distant seagull, or facial spots, and you can do many of them without using up a layer at all. I'd have thought that it was not a bad balance to be able to clean up one or two things in C1 (a welcome new feature in my view) and still go to something else like Photoshop for the heavy lifting when there is a lot of cloning or healing to be done. I assume that the aim is not to make C1 a PS substitute, but perhaps to make it less often that one has to fire up some other app to do that kind of thing. C1 as I see it is still primarily a RAW converter. Personally I rarely need to go to some other app (cloning might be one of the exceptions) using version 7. (Downloading 8 is on today's to-do list!)
Ian0 -
It's not about heavy retouching like frequency split and the like, it's about quickly fixing skin issues with a healing brush. It's not for that ad motive, but for bulk editing like events etc., where you also want to be able to send out high-resolution images to clients, but not offend anyone. Photoshop is the wrong tool for this.
The spot removal tool in CO 7 is a pain to use for skin (or anything else that needs a stamp-like treatment) and the results are close to un-usable, too. Aperture and Lightroom both have a proper healing brush. This really is a decisive tool that I thought they'd fix in v8, and it was keeping me from moving to CO completely and also use it as my primary DAM tool.
Shoot.0 -
My question then is why add something if they are going to do (excuse my language) a half ass job of it. Both aperture and LR have had far better tools for the longest time. You say it is for quickly fixing skin issues, well that usually needs more than 10 spots corrected, minus any other layer adjustments you may want. Ya the video I saw on it had 1 drone to remove, and yes looked ok. Better not have a swarm, as you will not need to fix them yet. Also you don't even get some kind of feed back of the source, you get a "Dot" with an arrow pointing to someplace, (Which you can also move), so you don't even know what the source area shape looks like.
"Its for bulk editing" are you really kidding me, I have never seen someone do a "GLOBEL" clone/heal of the same point from the same source in my life over a group of pictures. Unless the camera is locked down and you are taking a picture of a BLANK wall. Events would be worse you could copy clone/heal from one picture to another.
I don't understand, they had the spot/dust tool, all they needed to do was improve that. They went through all the being a layer, for clone/healing, WHY?
I currently have delete v8 from my system, currently do not see the enough of the improvement to even justify the upgrade cost. I might at a later time but not at the moment.
Also as someone else reported make sure you have a back up of your catalog, otherwise there is no going back. (I admit at least they do make a backup of it first, but on the Mac you don't really see a directory and have to go looking for it. "Show Package")
Robert0 -
@Robert: Concerning the "bulk editing", I wasn't referring to applying the same healing spots to a bulk of images, I was referring to quickly/non-destructively fix skin spots in a large amount of pictures, i.e. events, as opposed to extensive, meticulous skin retouching for an editorial series or the like.
And yes, you're right, 10 spots is a limit that's not very practical for this kind of stuff.
Although I just discovered that the healing brush indeed seems to be a new tool that's otherwise good for simple skin retouching. Haven't been able to install the demo yet since I'm still on 10.8 and would need to update to 10.9 (which I might but not quick-n-dirty).0
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