Colour difference between C1 and PS
After I process a file in Capture One 4.8.3. and open it in Photoshop CS3 I get colours that are completely different: desaturated, unpleasant, while the preview in C1 looked perfect.
This renders the effort of tweaking files in C1 completely useless, since I'm not getting that result anyway.
I processed the file in the same colour space that is also the working space in Photoshop - eci RGB v.2
What could possible be the reason for this, and what do I change to get the PS files to look exactly like the preview in C1?
This renders the effort of tweaking files in C1 completely useless, since I'm not getting that result anyway.
I processed the file in the same colour space that is also the working space in Photoshop - eci RGB v.2
What could possible be the reason for this, and what do I change to get the PS files to look exactly like the preview in C1?
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In fact, I've just noticed it's something else: something with the monitor.
Still puzzles me!
I have connected an EIZO monitor to my MacBook Pro. When I compare the preview in C1 and the processed result on my laptop, I get 100% identical results, as I'd expect.
However, when I drag the Photoshop file over to my EIZO monitor, it appears the same (perfect), UNTIL I release the mouse button - then the file instantly takes on a different colour, much to the worse.
If I position the preview window of C1 on my EIZO, the colours are perfect (and of course it would make sense make colour decisions on the EIZO, not on the laptop). So the monitor is perfectly capable of displaying the right colours.
How come the colours change in PS, and why do they look OK as long as I am still dragging the file over to the EIZO ithout releasing the mouse button???
Anyone? Can't find any relevant things in the PS preferences.0 -
Your MacBook Pro and external Eizo monitor have their respective monitor profiles (as you can check in ColorSync utility). When you move an application window from one screen to the other vice versa, the profile for the monitor should be applied. One application does that on the fly (Capture One for instance), another does that when you release the mouse button after dragging the window. Works as designed.
What you (probably) witness however is that CS3 does not properly process your Eizo monitor profile and/or sticks to the MacBook Pro's profile while dragging a windows to the other screen. This can be caused by a number of issues: 1) the Eizo monitor profile, 2) your version of OS X versus CS3 or 3) a OpenGL performance settings (which was introduced in either CS4 or CS3, not sure). I suspect either 1 or 2.
Regarding 1), replace the Eizo monitor profile with another, for example the Mac's default Eizo profile (I assume you have calibrated your monitor) to see whether the behavior of CS3 changes
Regarding 2), some do use CS3 with OS X 10.6. Would not be my choice for this reason.
Another way to experiment with this is to force your MacBook Pro to work with the Eizo only, no internal screen. This is easy: from power off state, open the screen, press the power button, close the screen. First time you have to assign the proper Eizo monitor profile manually to the screen wth ColorSync. See what happens.0 -
Goedenavond Paul,
Thanks for this reply.
What puzzled me: only Photoshop behaves in this way.
I spent some time reading forums on dual monitors with Apple/Adobe, and, as it turns out, this problem seems to bother lots of people.
Apparently it has to do with a conflict between Apple's OS and Adobe's PS, which cannot be resolved at all, apparently, at least for the time being.
Here's all the relevant info: http://forums.adobe.com/message/2773383
I've kind of resolved my problem with one of the workarounds I found in the forum: I set the EIZO as main monitor, dragging the menu bar to the EIZO in the "display arrangement" panel in systems preferences.
The EIZO now shows perfect and consistent colour, and I guess the problem now moved to the laptop.
This doesn't bother me, since obviously I am using the EIZO because the laptop's display cannot be trusted in the first place.
My desktop and the dock have now moved over to the EIZO.
Not elegant, but at least I can work.0 -
Goedenavond Joris 😉
I understand the workaround and I have/had similar issues (I have a MacBook Pro with a wide-gamut Eizo monitor) and a lot of applications don't handle the multiple profile issue correctly, including Apple software like Finder, Safari and iPhoto on my system. The default monitor setting (I am still on OS X 10.5.8; this setting was removed from OS X 10.6.x as far as I am aware) helped me often in getting the right colors on the Eizo but sometimes I had to assign the Eizo profile to the MBP screen (ouch) to get the right colors on the Eizo (iPhoto).
I still have troubles getting OS X 10.6 monitor profiling right at all. Must be my MBP model.
My workaround is about similar to yours but I fully exclude my MBP screen, making my Eizo the single and only monitor.0 -
Hi,
Thanks.
All still far from ideal: whenever I reboot my MBP, Eye-One (which I used to calibrate the monitor) pops up and tells me it can't find the appropriate profile, suggesting I calibrate again.
Can't begin to think why that is...
And the thumbnails in C1, which are on the display of the MBP go all pop-art and bright magenta until I select them...
I'll open some of the files I edited on my MBP on my normal studio setup, I hope I won't be surprised at the colours.
Tonight I'll try out your method of disabling the MBP display altogether, although I've grown quite used to having all the instruments and clutter on my left display, so as to have only the image I'm working on on the right (calibrated) one.0 -
I'll pitch in a little comment in this subject since I know the question comes up once in a while and subject line says it all.
Some of what I read here has to do with ICC v2 vs. ICC v4 monitor profiles.
Newer Eizo's only have v4 profiles to take advantage of some of the new features in v4 like ambient light compensation.
PS is using its own color engine while Capture One is relying on the operating systems color engine.
This way we always know we have a "common standard"
If PS does or does not support v4 ICC profiles has of course to do with which you of PS you have installed.
If Capture One supports is or not has all to do with operating system.
Mac OS 10.5.x does not.
Mac OS 10.6.x do.
If one of the parameter is not met (PS version that does not support v4 or using Mac OS 10.5) then you must use ICC v2 color profiles to ensure matching colours.
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Edit: Some one misunderstood this post so I would like to clarify that Capture One does NOT use Mac OS RAW conversion engine like some other software. We are using our own developed RAW conversion engine, one of the reasons we can produce the quality we can. However we are using the operating system colour engine. This however is very likely to change in the future so we do not have the issues like incompatibly on Mac OS 10.5.0 -
In addition to Ulf comments, I would suggest to use Eizo ColorNavigator for your Eizo monitor calibration, at least if you have a CG (ColorEdge) monitor. ColorNavigator creates v2.x ICC monitor profiles and allows for hardware calibration of the monitor (easier and more reliable), for CG and CE monitors. 0 -
Hi,
From what I understand from the above, I would do well to install CS4 on the MBP, since part of the trouble might be in incompatibility between 10.6.2. and CS3?
I actually have CS4 on my studio machine, I've just never bothered to install it onto my MBP.
As for calibrating: I bought a cheaper Eizo, a FlexScan model without hardware calibration, since all I wanted really is to have a "pretty decent" monitor at home for those times when I have to take work home.
In the studio I have a funkier Quato model, which I calibrate using the software that came with it.
Today I opened some very tricky files I prepared on the MBP (with the Eizo monitor) on my normal, reliable studio setup, and I was relieved to see no major surprises.0 -
IIRC, according to Adobe, CS3 can run on 10.6.x but is not supported, as is CS4 (and CS5 of course). Yes, I would upgrade CS3 to CS4. 0 -
In Photoshop's color settings, if you click on "More Options" and look at the Advanced Controls box, Photoshop typically defaults to checking the "Desaturate Monitor Colors By: 20%". Uncheck that box and you might see things start to look more uniform. 0 -
Thanks Terence, but of course I had looked at Photoshop's colour settings.
First thing.
But even if the settings WERE wrong, it still wouldn't explain why images change appearance by moving them to another screen.
In fact, the problem has indeed gone away after installing CS4 - so I guess there's an incompatibility between OS 10.6. and Photoshop CS3 after all. Which is upsetting enough, but my problem is gone.
Another problem persists though, perhaps someone has an idea?
Every time when I switch on my MBP and attach the display, a dialogue window pops up telling me the monitor's ICC profile cannot be found.
So I callibrate again, and things are fine... until next day, when the monitor's ICC profile again cannot be found.
Where is this profile supposed to be stored in order for the Mac's OS to access it?
This never happens on my Mac pro.0 -
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Every time when I switch on my MBP and attach the display, a dialogue window pops up telling me the monitor's ICC profile cannot be found.
So I callibrate again, and things are fine... until next day, when the monitor's ICC profile again cannot be found.
Where is this profile supposed to be stored in order for the Mac's OS to access it?
This never happens on my Mac pro.
Your display profile should be stored in HD > Library > ColorSync > Profiles or UserName > Library > ColorSync > Profiles. Open ColorSync, select Devices (top), open Displays (left) and select your profile.
Best is to connect your monitor and power it on before you power on your computer.0 -
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In fact, the problem has indeed gone away after installing CS4 - so I guess there's an incompatibility between OS 10.6. and Photoshop CS3 after all. Which is upsetting enough, but my problem is gone.
As expected and thanks for sharing the feedback with us. Some notes:
When OS X 10.6 was introduced, Adobe had already released CS4 and they provided support for the new OS and not for the previous version, CS3. This may be upsetting or disappointing but within this area of fast moving technologies software manufacturers in general support their current product line (like adapting to new OS versions if necessary) while working on the next release. It is goodbye to the previous version.
To prevent problems, I suggest users to keep technologies in sync, which basically boils down to using software and hardware that was released in the same time frame. So for example if you buy a new computer today and it has a newer operating system, check whether your current software is compatible or need upgrading. Or if you buy the newest application version (PS CS5 for example) check whether your hardware and OS support it. This can help prevent problems. Hope this helps.0 -
Thanks Paul,
I found the profile in Macintosh HD -> Library -> ColorSync, but NOT in [User] -> Library -> ColorSync..
I'll drag it there and re-start to see if that brings any relief.0
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