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Newby confused by variants -couple of questions

Robin Gillespie
Firstly, I've accidentally created a clone variant for over a 1000 images in a catalog. How do I isolate all those variants and delete them? I can't see anything in Filters that would allow me to do this.

Secondly, let me describe a workflow that I used to use in Lightroom and am trying to to replicate in Capture One:

Edit on a wedding set is complete - say 600 images.

I now pick out say 300 of those to go in a client presentation slideshow. I pick them out with a single star. All fine so far.

In Lightroom, I'd create a Virtual Copy of those 300 and move them into a new Collection. Some of those will be converted to B&W, some will have slightly different crops to the master versions. So I end up with a LR Collection that is just for the presentation - dead easy.

However in Capture One I'm struggling to see how I can do this. It won't allow just a Variant to be put in an Album. I also can't see a way of filtering only the Variants (hence my first question above!).

What is the most efficient way around this?
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  • Ian Wilson
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    (1) Find any one of the 2nd variants in the browser, right click it and choose Select by same>Variant position. That will select all the 2nd variants and you can then delete them.

    (2) If you make the images you want to use for the presentation in some way (1*, etc) you can create a smart album, for instance baed on the criterion that the images have 1*. Smart albums are the only way to have one variant of an image in an album without the other variants of the same image.

    Ian
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  • Robin Gillespie
    Thanks Ian, especially for the second bit. I figured out the 'Select by Variant Position' thing just before your reply came in.
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  • Robin Gillespie
    Ahh great, keywords work for the Smart Album too - that makes sense. Thank you.
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  • Ian Leslie
    I am glad you got your questions answered. As you can tell the use of a smart album as the only way to create a collection of individual variants is not entirely satisfactory. Many of us have logged a support case requesting that manually created albums also be allowed to hold individual variants. We hope one day it will become a feature.
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  • Thomas Achermann
    I am one of those who has logged support cases over the years (actually several, starting with CO9).

    The way variants work right know, variant(s) always travel along with the parent, simply defies the reason of having variants. A variant should be just like a "new" image that can live in albums by its own.

    And another shortcoming is that you cannot name a variant - if you have several variants for different output purposes, there is no way of naming them, hence you have no idea what the different variants are for.
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  • Ian Leslie
    [quote="Thomas Achermann" wrote:
    hence you have no idea what the different variants are for.


    Unless you place the various variants in to meaningfully named albums... Oh wait 😭
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  • SFA
    [quote="RobG999" wrote:
    Ahh great, keywords work for the Smart Album too - that makes sense. Thank you.


    Pretty much anything in the EXIF/IPTC fields can be used to create a smart album although some fields are intended for uses that probably would not suggest the contents would be ideal for filtering work.

    That said ... unless you need to follow industry standards for IPTC (or think you might at some future point) there is plenty of scope for repurposing any of the fields for anything you might wish to use them for.


    HTH.


    Grant
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  • Robin Gillespie
    I don't find it a huge problem. I would prefer to be able to keep variants entirely separate with having to use Smart Albums, but adding a keyword to a whole selection is so quick it barely matters. It's only taken a small alterations from my old LR workflow to make it all work OK.

    What I wish COne WOULD do is make it more difficult to delete variants. I don't even get a prompt. Just poof! Gone!
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  • SFA
    [quote="RobG999" wrote:
    I don't find it a huge problem. I would prefer to be able to keep variants entirely separate with having to use Smart Albums, but adding a keyword to a whole selection is so quick it barely matters. It's only taken a small alterations from my old LR workflow to make it all work OK.

    What I wish COne WOULD do is make it more difficult to delete variants. I don't even get a prompt. Just poof! Gone!


    But the problem is that when they offer double question constraint as an "Are you sure?" people write here wishing that it was taken away because "of course" they intended to delete the files if they hit the delete key".

    That said there are a number of delete options and effects (depending on from where you were access the images at the time) and the default approach is to delete internally (if deleting files from a folder) and put them in a C1 Trash holding location from where you may, should you choose, delete the files and any associated files later.

    If you are deleting from an Album the link is removed but the file remains where it was.

    Warnings are available and set "On" by default.

    Check what is considered reasonable in the Preferences.

    If you think you are ot seeing warning that you should be seeing it may be worth creating a Support Case and discussing this with the Capture One Support team but I would check for Tutorial Vieas, Webinar videos and some of the other support sources (including searching the forum if you have not already done so) to see if they offer any instant enlightenment.

    HTH.


    Grant
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