Successful update to CO 8.2.2 Build 5 (for Sony)
I have just upgraded to CO Pro 8.2.2 Build 5 (for Sony) from version 8.1.1
Running on Win 7 laptop. Thought it was time now.
Made a backup of the catalog before I started the installation to be sure that I could go back to the old version if something fails.
Otherwise, I did not uninstall the old version. Started the new installation to the same folder as the old version then written over.
Everything worked as it should, the databases were converted to the new version.
The only thing that did not work was that when I started the CO for the first time, the program froze, menus loaded and images displayed in the browser but no response when I clicked with the mouse.
Had to use Windows Task Manager to kill CO.
I started CO again and now everything worked as it should.
Converted a session catalog to the new format, which was not converted during the installation.
Noted that the start time of the program is slightly longer than before. But it's no problem really.
Now I have then new features to play with, as 3-Way Color Balance and more .. nice.
Nils
Running on Win 7 laptop. Thought it was time now.
Made a backup of the catalog before I started the installation to be sure that I could go back to the old version if something fails.
Otherwise, I did not uninstall the old version. Started the new installation to the same folder as the old version then written over.
Everything worked as it should, the databases were converted to the new version.
The only thing that did not work was that when I started the CO for the first time, the program froze, menus loaded and images displayed in the browser but no response when I clicked with the mouse.
Had to use Windows Task Manager to kill CO.
I started CO again and now everything worked as it should.
Converted a session catalog to the new format, which was not converted during the installation.
Noted that the start time of the program is slightly longer than before. But it's no problem really.
Now I have then new features to play with, as 3-Way Color Balance and more .. nice.
Nils
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Hi,
As I mentioned in the above post, I noticed that the start time of the program are longer in Version CO Pro 8.2.2 Build 5 compared to version 8.1.1.
Checked Application.log files and displays for CO 8.2.2:
"[2015-05-03 12: 35: 57.729] [000] [ID: 008] {} APPL | Application started, Capture One Version 8.2.2.5
......
[2015-05-03 12: 37: 18.721] [069] [ID: 001, Main] {LOG} | User log: description = [Capture One started], details = [The application was started successfully] "
For version 8.1.1 CO:
"[2015-04-22 17: 46: 45.741] [000] [ID: 008] {} APPL | Application started, Capture One Version 8.1.1.20
.......
[2015-04-22 17: 46: 58.638] [619] [ID: 001, Main] {LOG} | User log: description = [Capture One started], details = [The application was started successfully] "
Tested with two Referenced Catalogs, no big difference if it contains data from several hundred images, or only 4,
Also tested with an empty session catalog and it shows about the same starting times.
It thus takes 1 minute 21 seconds for CO 8.2.2
compared to 13 seconds for CO 8.1.1
Can not see anything in the log file that explains the longer startup time.
Has anyone else noticed this behavior and perhaps can explain?
Regards
Nils0 -
I have to say for me, 8.2.2 is it ! I usally start a new session witht the shift key. But from the time I hit the icon in my task bar to session selection screen is about 10 seconds. After I name new session with all the details , I am in the main GUI instantly.
I down loaded a new job of 50 RAW files yesterday after updating and it took much less time than version 8.1. Also the TIFF render time for all the files seemed about 3 times as fast.
Loading older sessions takes about 8 seconds for the up convert befoe the session opens after the conversion. Not to long . I could not be happier with the new version.
Here is what C1 is working with on my system:
Win 7 Pro
SSD Boot Drive
WD 2 TB USB 3.0 working drive where sessions are stored
64G RAM
i7 3960 Extreme overclocked to 4.7
Quadro 4000 Graphics card
open GL is used or set to auto I think.
For me, 8.1 was noticably slower on same system than 8.2.0 -
NNN634487619466059669 Thanks for your reply, seems to be a great system you have.
My system is not the latest model.
A Sony Vaio laptop, I5 running Win 7 64bit 8GB of RAM.
But still wondering what it is that makes CO 8.2.2 takes so much longer from the time I click the icon to the menus shown in CO. 1 minute 23 seconds!
That's about the same if I hold down the shift key during startup until the menu to select the database is shown. Then it takes only a few seconds before the CO is completely started.
I mean in version 8.1.1, it took only 13 seconds until I could start working. On the same computer!
I think this was perfectly acceptable on my computer.
Starting to wonder if it would make any difference if I uninstalled 8.2.2 and re-installed it.
Or wait until the next update;)
Nils0 -
I feel your pain 😊
For me 8.0 was a disaster compared to 7.6 and 8.2.2. I just now deleted my old 7 series version from my machine since 8.2 seems to be working great so far.
Not sure how big of sessions your working with and how much RAM your Sony can handle, but whatever that amount is I would max it out. RAM is a cheap booster these days.
One other thing. I used to uninstall using REVO Uninsatller which cleans out the program including registry. That caused me problems when upgrading C1. Support also said not a good idea. So now I just do the normal windows uninstall and reinstall new version into old exsisting folder. Seems to work much better. Maybe C1 has lost some of the session file locations and is trying to find them before startup. I had this problem with my Media Pro.
I think you can reinstall version 8.1 back onto your Sony and run them Independently. Might be worth a try.
Hope you get 8.2 working. It is sweet.
Cheers0 -
Hi,
My Sony laptop has the maximum memory possible, 8GB.
I use most Catalogs with referenced images. The biggest I use contains reference to about 1000 images imported but not all are processed.
Has tested with Session mode too but do not like that CO creates so many folders all over my hard drives.
But as I mentioned previously the long startup time is not dependent on the catalog in use.
I performed a clean re-install of CO 8.2.2 yesterday by first uninstall from Windows and erase what was left of the folders from the session and Catalogs picture settings.
There was a lot of folders with subfolders containing the settings and thumbnails spread over my two hard drives containing approximately 5,000 pictures!
OK, the installation went well and after the re-activation of the license I was up and running again.
Created a new catalog and Imported 4 (!) Referenced images. Exit CO and started again.
The time to start CO was exactly the same as before, 1 minute 23 seconds until I could get to work. Once I am within CO seems everything running smoothly by processing images. Even brushing local mask works smoothly.
Restored the backup copy of the Catalog I use.
Now I think I'll leave it like this, I can take the long startup time when all the rest is working correctly.
We'll see what happens when the next update is released.
I got in anyway cleared away many Capture One folders that were not used 😊
Nils0 -
[quote] Has tested with Session mode too but do not like that CO creates so many folders all over my hard drives. [/quote]
Sorry, but how is that? C1 creates sub-folders only in directories which hold image files. And theses sub-folders only hold files and data related to the images in the reference directory. The advantage of this as in my case who has organized the shots in folders according the shooting day (YYMMDD-short discription) is that a copy of this folder to an external drive copies also all C1 preview and adjustment data. Of course opening a folder which holds hundreds of images takes its time toll so I'm usually distributing images from a big shooting to several folders, each holding at most about 1,000 images.0 -
Hello,
I do not want to create a discussion about the advantages/disadvantages of using Session or Catalogs. But even though it is a bit off topic of this thread I answer here.
Note that these are my own thoughts and my opinion, others prefer surely Sessions more.
For me it works best with Catalogs and importing Referenced images there. Like to keep everything in one place as much as possible.
I also organize my pictures into folders based on the date (YY-MM-DD-info) that I import from my Sony camera with software other than CO, where I also can browse images to erase the bad images and mark the good pictures that are appropriate to import to a Catalog in CO for further processing.
Thanks to that I have chosen to work with "Referenced" images they remain in the folder where they were imported from the SD card on the external hard drive.
When I import the selected images to the CO, all the preview and adjustments I made are saved in My Catalog folder on internal disk.
If for example, I moved a folder containing the original image to another disk, it is no problem, just do a Locate in from CO and all previous edits are there again.
Made a simple test with a Session and a folder "15-04-22" that contained 38 .arw raw files on ext harddisk. They were together 909 MB.
After I browsed there in the CO's Library-> System Folders and waited for a while to let the CO create the related Subfolder "Capture One" and the underlying subfolders.
No changes were made to any picture.
Subfolder "Capture One" and underlying folders (4) then contains 168 files of size 62 MB!
This is how it will be for each picture folder if using CO Sessions.
Right now I have about 110 folders with pictures and one can easily calculate that there will be a lot of additional subfolders and files with the Session in Capture One.
To me it seems Catalogs are more organized and have more choices when using it.
Thanks
Nils0 -
[quote="NilsO" wrote:
After I browsed there in the CO's Library-> System Folders and waited for a while to let the CO create the related Subfolder "Capture One" and the underlying subfolders.
No changes were made to any picture.
Subfolder "Capture One" and underlying folders (4) then contains 168 files of size 62 MB!
This is how it will be for each picture folder if using CO Sessions.
Right now I have about 110 folders with pictures and one can easily calculate that there will be a lot of additional subfolders and files with the Session in Capture One.
To me it seems Catalogs are more organized and have more choices when using it.
Thanks
Nils
Nils,
When you say 62Mb - is that the total on disk size for all 168 files? I assume it is.
Most of that capacity will be for the Preview files I would expect.
If you are not using a session you could discard those - for archiving for example.
One of the things I was not comfortable with when I tried LightRoom (V1 time) was that everything had to go in a catalogue. (A single catgalogue then as I recall). I already used other software that did not use catalogs. It meant I would have to keep 2 sets of originals. I preferred not to.
Using sessions, as I do, means two or more applications can sit side by side and share the same original base file structure and files. I like that freedom.
On the other hand catalogues, as implemented in CO, have some interesting additional features. As yet I have not found own that is so critical to my preferred way of working that I would need to adopt the catalogue approach.
I don't really feel a need for one giant file with everything in it. If I have multiple catalogues to replicate my session approach ... well, there's really not much difference.
On a like for like basis (i.e. Same size ready-to-go previews) a can't imagine a catalogue is very different in size for a specific number of images than a session would be using the same sizes.
So really is all comes down to what we individually feel most comfortable with for our personal preferences. Cosmetically that means do we want a wrapper around all of our images or is it better to leave them "on display".
Neither way is right or wrong.
All just in my opinion of course.
Grant0 -
Grant,
thanks for your interesting answer.[quote="SFA" wrote:
When you say 62Mb - is that the total on disk size for all 168 files? I assume it is.
Most of that capacity will be for the Preview files I would expect.
If you are not using a session you could discard those - for archiving for example.
Yes, 62 MB for all 168 files.
There are four files for each RAW file, preview, thumbnail, settings, and 1 more (.cof .cot .cop .cos).
I deleted most of those files when I reinstalled CO 8.2.2.[quote="SFA" wrote:
Using sessions, as I do, means two or more applications can sit side by side and share the same original base file structure and files. I like that freedom.
I do the same using catalogs, actually three simultaneously, using Sony's PlayMemories Home and Google Picasa 3 together with CO.
It works great, the original is still there in my import folder when using Catalog and Referenced location.[quote="SFA" wrote:
I don't really feel a need for one giant file with everything in it.
In fact if the images are referenced, only links are stored in the catalog file.
I have about 1000 images imported in a Catalog and the .cocatalogdb file is just 5.8 MB. Now, about half of these images are processed. Previews and thumbnails are stored in subfolders next to the catalog database.
Main Folder for my catalog with subfolders are all together 538 MB including previews and tumbs.
It seems to be less space consuming than Sessions, another advantage is that it is easy to do a backup, only the database .cocatalogdb and folder Adjustment needs to be saved and it is done from CO.
If someone asks me, my answer is to try Capture One Catalog, it is an elegant way to manage your images.
Regards
Nils0
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