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Update Capture NX2 edited nef-files?

HvTFoto
I just downloaded the trial version of MP as I am in need of a DAM solution. I'm on a Mac so my options are limited (IDImager is not an option since support and documentation is non existing and development seem to have stopped).

I use Capture NX2 for raw conversion (and editing if I don't need to make complex editing in which case I use PS CS 6) and basic adjustments. I have tried different settings to have MP show the "edited" and, by CNX2 saved, nef file but without any success (watch folder, automatic/manual update, rebuild item, use embedded thumbnail checkbox checked/unchecked). In MP the net file remains in its original state/shape (thumbnail as well as media view) whatever I do. I've even tried to save the file under a new name to no avail (i.e. original state still shown). I guess (hope as the opposite makes the program totally unusable) I'm doing something wrong and would appreciate your input/comments.

Regards

Hans
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  • Permanently deleted user
    You're not doing anything wrong. This is a known limitation of Media Pro and Expression Media on a Mac running OSX 10.6 or later. See the earlier thread, "Media Pro 1 Mac: Will we get manufacturer rendering back?".

    Supposedly this problem is "resolved" if you purchase and use Phase One's Capture One software to edit your NEFs. I prefer Capture NX2 (and didn't want to purchase CO), so my workaround is to generate derivative JPEGs from my NEF files using the batch process feature in Capture NX2.

    Other folks might be able to provide other ideas for you, for example, in this thread: "Alternatives to Capture One 6 for Mac/Nikon NEF editing?", which discusses how to use DNG as an alternative raw format.
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  • HvTFoto
    Thanks for your speedy reply. Unfortunately that makes the program totally worthless for me. I do have quite a lot of edited nef's (far from all have been converted to tiff/jpeg) and as these will no accurately show in MP, MP is not an option. Guess I will have to wait and see whether the Photo Mechanic DAM version will ever see the light.

    Regards

    Hans
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  • Jim MSP
    [quote="syncrasy" wrote:


    Supposedly this problem is "resolved" if you purchase and use Phase One's Capture One software to edit your NEFs. I prefer Capture NX2 (and didn't want to purchase CO), so my workaround is to generate derivative JPEGs from my NEF files using the batch process feature in Capture NX2. .


    I'll bet there is a good chance that it will work if you load the demo version of Capture One.
    After 30 days, the program itself won't work, but the camera drivers are all there and could be accessible by MP.
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  • HvTFoto
    Jim,

    Thanks. Now downloading and will see if it works (at least for the demo period).

    Regards

    Hans
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  • HvTFoto
    Downloaded CO and set Phase One as the rendering engine and re-rendered the files. Did not work, still no NX2 edits visible. Also made new adjustments to a virgin nef in NX2 but the adjustments did't show up in MP. Took another virgin nef and made some adjustments in CO and these adjustments showed up in MP. A pity that it doesn't work with nef using NX2.

    Regards

    Hans
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  • rmoorlag
    The reason IDimager is not an option for you is that "support and documentation is non existing and development seem to have stopped" . How can it be that Media Pro is an option for you? (the same applies in my opinion).

    I'm glad with your remark about IDimager because i considerid it as a serious alternative to Media Pro.
    I think only Lightroom remains?

    Roelof
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  • HvTFoto
    The reason I tried MP is my need for a DAM program. MP seemed to have great documentation (there is no documentation what so ever when it comes to IDImager for Mac) and an active user forum and from what I've seen this far this seem to be true. I just started with MP and the only "failure" I discovered this far is the inability to read nef edits done by NX2 (and this make the program useless for me). Had I worked with the CO raw converter from the beginning I guess that MP would have been perfect for me. Maybe I'm a bit to harsh when it comes to IDImager as the Mac-version is only in public beta but there are so many functions lacking (such a watch folders) and a poor UI that I don't think that IDImager will be an option in the foreseeable future. I have been waiting for Photo Mechanic to release their DAM software (was originally promised/scheduled to be released early this year but the latest information indicates that there will be no release until autumn and that is a pity (I have been waiting for the DAM release since I started using CX2 and Photo Mechanic in 2009).
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  • Permanently deleted user
    I believe Lightroom also has the same limitation (i.e., inability to display updated thumbnails of NEFs edited by Capture NX2). Am I wrong?
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  • Keith Reeder
    [quote="syncrasy" wrote:
    I believe Lightroom also has the same limitation (i.e., inability to display updated thumbnails of NEFs edited by Capture NX2). Am I wrong?

    No, you're right - this is a known issue with Lr too.
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  • HvTFoto
    Yes, it's a limitation of LR and Bridge as well. I guess my only hope, as I wish to stay with CX2 and have thousands of NX2 edited nef's, that the Photo Mechanic catalogue will include the possibility to show CX2 edited nef's (the current Photo Mechanic version does but lacks catalogue ability). Photo Mechanic is the only program I've found that can show CX2 edited nef's.

    Regards

    Hans
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  • hauli
    "This is a known limitation of Media Pro and Expression Media on a Mac running OSX 10.6 or later."

    Does this limitation of Media Pro and Expression Media also exist if I use Capture NX2 on Windows XP?

    regards
    hauli
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  • HvTFoto
    I asked the question in the PM feature request forum whether the upcoming catalogue of PM will support and correctly display CX2 edited tiff's and got the reply that there should be no visual difference between using the catalogue and the stand alone version. This is very comforting as the stand alone application correctly display CX2 edited tiffs.

    //Hans
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  • Permanently deleted user
    [quote="HvTFoto" wrote:
    This is very comforting as the stand alone application correctly display CX2 edited tiffs.


    Did you mean to say edited NEFs?
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  • HvTFoto
    Yes, indeed I did. Went back to the PM forum and noticed that I in part made the same mistake when I asked the question in the support forum (mixed between nef and tiff when asking the question). Have put my question forward once again and hope to receive a positive answer (I guess that the guy from PM understood what I asked for but to be on the safe side I asked once again).

    //Hans
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  • Permanently deleted user
    [quote="hauli" wrote:
    "This is a known limitation of Media Pro and Expression Media on a Mac running OSX 10.6 or later."

    Does this limitation of Media Pro and Expression Media also exist if I use Capture NX2 on Windows XP?


    I believe this limitation is related only to Macs. I don't fully understand the root of the problem, but judging from the previous year's worth of posts on this topic, my understanding is that Nikon has not provided a NEF codec for Mac OS (post Tiger 10.4) while they have provided a NEF codec for all Windows OSs. As I understand it, Windows/Nikon users can choose "Manufacturer Rendering" to display their NEF edits. Phase One's use of side car files (via Capture One) gets around the limitation on the Mac (but forces Mac/Nikon users to purchase another expensive software program).

    This makes me wonder how Photo Mechanic is able to display NEF edits. HvTFoto, does PM use side car files?
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  • HvTFoto
    You can have PM create side car files but you don't have to (previously I didn't have PM create side car files but started to do so when I tested IDImager and ran into severe problems). I just got confirmation from the PM forum (one of the employees) that: "PM vs. PM Catalog will have no differences in how it renders any image types. Including NEFs whose embedded JPEG has been updated to reflect the changes you made in Capture NX2". To me that is very comforting and now I just have to wait for the release.

    Regards

    Hans
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  • RobiWan
    [quote="syncrasy" wrote:
    [quote="hauli" wrote:
    "This is a known limitation of Media Pro and Expression Media on a Mac running OSX 10.6 or later."

    Does this limitation of Media Pro and Expression Media also exist if I use Capture NX2 on Windows XP?


    I believe this limitation is related only to Macs.


    Sorry but that all is totally wrong.

    Nikon Capture NX2 is the "House"-RAW Converter, like Canon DPP by Canon or IDS by Sony.
    Now both programs can be used to edit RAW Images. You can save your work INTO the same RAw File. And this can't be read from another 3-rd party software like, Lightroom, Aperture, C1, UFRAW, DxO and so on.

    That is no problem from C1 or C1 on Mac!


    Bye
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  • hauli
    "Sorry but that all is totally wrong."

    I am wondering about that because the former iView Media and Microsoft Expression Media 2 were in the position to render edited Raw-NEF files quite well.
    It´s not a technical problem - because iView media managed it quite well - it´s a commercial problem. Phase One wants to sell their own Raw converter Capture One and not Capture NX2.
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  • NN634875313087118381UL
    [quote="HvTFoto" wrote:
    You can have PM create side car files but you don't have to (previously I didn't have PM create side car files but started to do so when I tested IDImager and ran into severe problems). I just got confirmation from the PM forum (one of the employees) that: "PM vs. PM Catalog will have no differences in how it renders any image types. Including NEFs whose embedded JPEG has been updated to reflect the changes you made in Capture NX2". To me that is very comforting and now I just have to wait for the release.

    Regards

    Hans


    I am a CNX2 user on W7 looking for a DAM program. As of today I found that PM have not released the catalog utility. I have been trying MP this weekend and indeed it does not render CNX2 edits, so it is of no use to me. I found Zoner Photo Studio, which renders them and seems to have a quite acceptable photo management utility. Anybody ever tried it or heard of it ? If you did or do it in the future I would appreciate your input.
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  • NN228802UL
    [quote="RobiWan" wrote:
    [quote="syncrasy" wrote:


    Sorry but that all is totally wrong.

    Nikon Capture NX2 is the "House"-RAW Converter, like Canon DPP by Canon or IDS by Sony.
    Now both programs can be used to edit RAW Images. You can save your work INTO the same RAw File. And this can't be read from another 3-rd party software like, Lightroom, Aperture, C1, UFRAW, DxO and so on.

    Bye


    You are wrong. Nikon Capture NX2 imbeds inside the NEF a full resolution JPG file that takes into account the editing done.
    You can extract this JPG file with e.g. exiftool, and verify by yourself that it does takes into account the editing done with NCX2.

    Cheers
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