Some thoughts about the 4
When a big company like Phase One comes with a upgrade on their program 3.7. It should be a upgrade, nothing else. There have been a lot of excusing from Phase One like that the 4 is build on a brand new platform etc. Well if they could build the 3.7 on a old platform, why cant they implement the good work flow from 3.7 in to the new platform? People that never have used the 3.7 do not have something to compare the 4 with. So if they say that the 4 is great, well that is nice. But it does not tell if the 4 is better ore worse than the 3.7. And that is the bottom line here, we want the 4 to act like the 3.7 with the same good work flow. I loved 3.7, and i didn't want it to change at all, if there should be some changing it could be the speed. Nothing else.
Sorry if i don't like the 4, i have tried hard to proceed images with it, maybe 2000 images so fare. But it is just to different from the 3.7. So i will keep on complaining so i maybe got the people at Phase One to do some minor changing on the 4 PRO when it comes out.
Best regards Kai Jensen
Sorry if i don't like the 4, i have tried hard to proceed images with it, maybe 2000 images so fare. But it is just to different from the 3.7. So i will keep on complaining so i maybe got the people at Phase One to do some minor changing on the 4 PRO when it comes out.
Best regards Kai Jensen
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[quote="fotojensen" wrote:
When a big company like Phase One comes with a upgrade on their program 3.7. It should be a upgrade, nothing else. There have been a lot of excusing from Phase One like that the 4 is build on a brand new platform etc. Well if they could build the 3.7 on a old platform, why cant they implement the good work flow from 3.7 in to the new platform? People that never have used the 3.7 do not have something to compare the 4 with. So if they say that the 4 is great, well that is nice. But it does not tell if the 4 is better ore worse than the 3.7. And that is the bottom line here, we want the 4 to act like the 3.7 with the same good work flow. I loved 3.7, and i didn't want it to change at all, if there should be some changing it could be the speed. Nothing else.
Sorry if i don't like the 4, i have tried hard to proceed images with it, maybe 2000 images so fare. But it is just to different from the 3.7. So i will keep on complaining so i maybe got the people at Phase One to do some minor changing on the 4 PRO when it comes out.
Best regards Kai Jensen
I'm sure that you've already read most of the other posts here so you know you certainly are not alone. As a matter of fact you're preaching to the user community choir. Unfortunately, all of our complaints have fallen on deaf ears. The arrogance of the people at Phase One seem to preclude the user base’s opinions as evident in all the comments that went unanswered and ignored though the beta releases.
Fact of the matter is the beta period was so short Phase One was committed to the feature set regardless of the feedback. Short of a major release delay there was nothing else they could do but release a product that the user community clearly disliked from the beginning.
Here’s hoping they now take a very short time to release a 4.1 version that truly does address the user community’s issues and that the release comes soon enough to prevent the loss of the very user community that tried to tell them the v4 release was inadequate.
Rob0 -
There is two way to develop/update software. One as Adobe is doing, each new release contains old interface and you can use new release from very first load. Many users and I prefer this way; we can build continuously improvement to our software functionality knowledge. Other way is what Microsoft is doing any new Windows release has new interface and we spend days, weeks and month to learn how to use it. The funny part is when we start felling good with new interface the Microsoft release new Windows to keep us busy. Unfortunately Phase One start following Microsoft and this is a time to start thinking maybe is better stick with Photoshop is not as good as C1 but I do need spend time to learn new interface over and over.
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[quote="gkphoto" wrote:
There is two way to develop/update software. One as Adobe is doing, each new release contains old interface and you can use new release from very first load. Many users and I prefer this way; we can build continuously improvement to our software functionality knowledge. Other way is what Microsoft is doing any new Windows release has new interface and we spend days, weeks and month to learn how to use it. The funny part is when we start felling good with new interface the Microsoft release new Windows to keep us busy. Unfortunately Phase One start following Microsoft and this is a time to start thinking maybe is better stick with Photoshop is not as good as C1 but I do need spend time to learn new interface over and over.
.george
This analogy actually doesn’t work in the this case from what I’ve been able to gather.
Phase One was faces with what every software company faces every so many years. Old bloated code. With this scenario the company is faces a very tough decision. Continue with the old bloat and hope that subsequent releases don’t collapse around you (the cheap way to go), or do what PO has done and start from scratch (meaning ground up) and completely rebuild your software (quite an expensive undertaking). In other words apparently this isn’t’ just an interface change like you claim MS does. This is like going from Win 9x to Win XP a completely different animal that does essentially the same thing as the previous version.
Where PO fell short is they released this version as an upgrade/replacement of the previous version before it was ready. Ready in that it doesn’t match the old version feature for feature.
Rob0 -
I can only applaud the new version, if they did it to abandon old bloated technology and ditto code, its very good!
If it differs from prev version, learn to work with it, its a nice thing to learn, your brain will appreciate it, so much that it wont get older lol
Greetings!0 -
[quote="Reservoir_Dog" wrote:
If it differs from prev version, learn to work with it, its a nice thing to learn, your brain will appreciate it, so much that it wont get older lol. Greetings!
You're missing the whole point here. Your viewpoint of "learn to work with it" is analogous to saying "eat around the crappy parts" when you spend good money for a steak in a nice restaurant. Since when is it the consumers job to please the manufacturer? IMO, it's PO's job to please me, not vice versa; afterall, I paid good, hard earned money for their product.
Also, "learning to work with it" will NEVER overcome the lost productivity of no longer having simple keyboard shortcuts. These are not simple issues of just learning a new workflow; instead, it's an issue of learning a more convoluted and a more time consuming workflow. All the practice in the world will never make Ctrl+Shft+B as quick and efficient as hitting F8. Perhaps you think that's a very minor issue, but when you use that keystroke 500-700 times a day you're talking about an extra 30-60 min a DAY in computer time. Time is money! What does that cost over the period of a year? A BUNCH!!!! Being generous and saying only 30 minutes a day, that still adds up to over 3 WEEKS of lost productivity. That, my friend, is hardly a minor issue to me! And that's just for one issue (the F8 key). There are other productivity slowdowns as well that can't be overcome by simply getting used to a new workflow. Added all together, C4 is costing many people lots of money!
So, "Learn to work with it" is not the answer. I, and no doubt many others, will give PO a little time to perhaps remedy these issues in the form of updates, but if they don't, I will be learning an entirely new program, which means not only a new learning curve, but also the waste of time and money spent with PO in the first place.0 -
[quote="D2xs30" wrote:
Maybe they will incorporate a programmable interface and keyboard in pro. Although I can't understand the assignment of the currrent shortcuts I don't worry so much about the shortcuts yet. But without programmable keyboard ... this configuration slows down.
lost productivity of no longer having simple keyboard shortcuts.
The problem is: they never announce things that will be in pro. Except that there will be "all the features of V3". But I don't worry about features. I worry about the way to control them.0 -
[quote="thowi" wrote:
Maybe they will incorporate a programmable interface and keyboard in pro.
Why would I pay an additional $429 to upgrade to PRO when PO is the cause of the problem to begn with? I didn't create this issue, they did. To have to pay an additional $429 to get a feature back that you used to have is nothing more than paying extortion money IMO. If they can't make C4 work to my satisfaction, I will most certainly not reward them by forking out additional cash. I will spend that money on an additional RAW converor, or I'll probably just revert back to ACR 4.2. I won't like going back to ACR, but I'll not be held hostage by PO either.0 -
[quote="D2xs30" wrote:
Ah, okay. I thought you use Pro as you process so many images. And there is an limitation in LE (or am I wrong?).
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No, I've never needed the additional features PRO offers, so LE has worked very nicely for me for several years now, until this "upgrade". Please don't mis-understand, it still works very nicely, only it slows my workflow down considerably, and it's not a slowdown that can be overcome by simply geting used to a new workflow. 0 -
LE used to have batch limit. (ten wasn't it?) IIRC it was removed when SE was discontinued. Potential PRO users took to LE like ducks to water when it was removed. 0
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