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ICC & C1 PRO Fuji not working?

NNN636746263898859274
I bought 3D LUT creator to make icc's and load them into C1.

But nothing happens switching ICC's in C1 ...! Not only the ICC files I created myself but this is also the situation when choosing a standard ICC which comes with C1 execpt the ones that convert to B&W.
Looks like a bug to me or die I miss something.

In addition the fuji filmsimulations work fine though but that is not wat this is about...
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  • Permanently deleted user
    I have C1 Fuji Pro and I've been looking into custom profiles recently - the difference is only visible for some curves (Film Standard, Film High Contrast and Linear) but it should work.
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  • NNN636746263898859274
    It should work but did you really tried to switch between available icc profiles and notice any difference?
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Yes and there's a big difference especially in the dark blue and violett-purple colours.

    However the program I'm using is broken and ruins the contrast (there's no L*a*b(0,0,0) in the Profile so the blacks are totally ruined) but the colours are spot on and true to life.
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  • NNN636746263898859274
    I have had contact with phaseone support about this and this is their explanation:

    "For Fujifilm files from compatible cameras, the Curve is going to take precedence over the ICC profile due how our Fujifilm simulations were implemented.

    If the curve is set to anything besides Linear, Film Standard, Film Extra Shadow or Film High Contrast, it'll use the bundled ICC profile and that curve.

    For your custom purposes, it's likely you should be using Film Standard (which is a gentle S-curve, akin to film) and the custom profile. You can also use any of the curves that aren't film simulations."

    So this comes down to the fact that ICC profiles do not work in combination with the available Fuji film simulation curves.
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  • SFA
    [quote="NNN636746263898859274" wrote:


    So this comes down to the fact that ICC profiles do not work in combination with the available Fuji film simulation curves.


    Given that the Film Simulation curves only work on (selected) Fuji cameras to create the Fuji look as it would be created in camera for a jpg file (and that, presumably, is the way that Fuji would want it) it seems reasonable to ensure that the film style is "protected" to some extent. To do anything else might be rather confusing for users.

    And of course anyone creating their own ICC profiles, whether minor detailed tweaks or some sort of more extreme interpretation effort, is either suggesting that the camera manufacturer got things wrong or has a specific, possibly artistically inclined, purpose that may make the Film Simulation an irrelevancy anyway. In fact something that just gets in the way of their artistic efforts.

    Still, that's not to say that Fuji could not be persuaded to allow a different approach at some future point if lobbied by users.

    Just my observations of course. Others may see things differently.


    Grant
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  • NNN636746263898859274
    Yep.

    In my perception the icc profiles intend to compensate hardware characteristics 'to normalize' the starting point.so the curve will show the same result regardless the used hardware.
    That's similar to the use of the colorchecker.

    Apparently that is not the situation when using Fuji. So I think it is important for the Fuji users they are aware of this..
    Using a colorchecker icc profile icw a Fuji film simulation curve makes no sense.

    I made icc profiles for each combination of the x-h1 and ND filters in a few circomstances to compensate the cast of these filters.
    In my opinion it should be documented that the icc profile is bypassed when using specific curve settings. In my case if took a long time to find out what is going on and now I know it is clear I need to find another approach.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    As it stands you shouldn't be using x-rite ICC profiles in Capture One anyway. They are faulty and don't convert correctly to ICC RGB Profiles like AdobeRGB, ProPhotoRGB etc.

    That's why they look less contrasty - the black values are messed up.
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  • NNN636746263898859274
    Hm, you might be fully correct in this but IMHO that is another discussion..
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