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"stand alone" raw-convertor?

Peter Wijn
Hi there,

Compliments with a near perfect RAW-convertor. I tried it for just an evening, and I love the ease to get great results.
I'd like to implement this in my workflow (until now based on Nikon Capture NX2).

In order to achieve that, I'd like to keep on using the very satisfactory DAM of ID-imager called Photo Supreme. It is quite evolved and holds photos with capture NX2 adaptions that should stay functional.
This would be very simple when side car files are used, which I thought Capture One Pro 8 is based upon.

However, If I try to open a photo from explorer or a different database in Capture One 8, this software can't find the existing location of the adjustments, and opens the 'import to database' menu of Capture One 8.

Is this a change made to Capture One Pro? Or should I apply a different setting somewhere.

(windows 7, 64 bit)

yours, Peter Wijn, The Netherlands.
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Hi Peter,

    I think you use the catalog of CO8. I think in your workflow you are better of with sessions. Let us know whether you need more information.
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  • Peter Wijn
    Dank je wel Paul,

    Nu even uitzoeken hoe ik in sessions werk ipv in de database...
    als je me kunt helpen met een link of een hint - ik ben aan het testen - dan heeeeeel graag.
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  • Peter Wijn
    Heu, simpel een sessie openen doet de truck al...
    (En dat terwijl er een COP8 database op de achtergrond draait)
    Dank je wel.
    Nu nog de zaak goed leren instellen en Capture NX2 kan naar de vergetelheid...

    Well, the solution being creating a session - very simple - leaves me with a few questions I can't find in the tutorial:
    * my database finds the right directory - nice
    * but not the right photo - alas
    * I see that this way the files stay on their original location automatically
    * sidecar files are created in a subfolder of the directory where my photos are stored.

    I will try to find a way to export JPEG's as viewer files for the Database into the target directory - working on that now.
    Do I have to save this session with the photos? Or can I throw it away after working the directory - and still be able to find the existing sidecar files a next - revisiting - session?

    thanks for showing me where to read this.
    Peter
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Good to hear it has worked out for you, Peter. You can always contact me through one of the links in the signature. On my website you can find links to Dutch training in the Netherlands as well. 😉
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  • Peter Wijn
    Heu....,

    When trying to adress a single photo from ID-imager PhotoSupreme (V2), COP - in session 'test' goes to the correct directory, but not to the photo itself and starts processing all photos in the directory...

    ... no it isn't. It is working on 109 from 149 pictures from a external drive .../2008/2008-11 Oman/{photoname}.nef. The other pictures can't be found in COP.
    The nefs are from two camera's, but that doesn't correlate. Most of the photo's are processed in Capture NX2, but that doesn't correlate eigther...

    I tried throwing away the capture one directory below the photos and loading them in a new session - another test -: exactly the same problem. I tried importing (I think I shouldn't do that for my workflow?): the importsession opens telling that there are 149 photos, but only 109 - the same - appear and can be selected in the import-window. The photos are not corrupt in any way for finder, View NX2, Lightroom 5 and PhotoSupreme.
    (In a different folder, while simultaneously working Lightroom and COP, exported LR jpegs are loaded in COP, meaning some kind of folder watching is operational. The COP jpegs are not because I tell COP not to import the exports 😉 ).

    I am without a clue how and why files in a folder are only partly recognised. (I rather feel like rune2 in a different discussion at the moment: why not a less complex way of raw-converting?.)

    (working three raw-convertors alongside really improved my skills 😉, I think about making it my regular workflow...)


    (Elsewhere I read some have no problem opening a single photo from PhotoSupreme directly in Capture One Pro... just how? (It should be simple, is my opinion, and it should be explained at the very starting point of the user manual... perhaps it is written somewhere so at the beginning that I skipped it 😉 .)



    (Edited, because it appears I used an inappropriate set of characters somehow, sorry 🤭 )
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  • Peter Wijn
    ? should I use an untitled session - what is that? -, instead of a session with a name?
    I worked in a session with a name 'test'.

    I'll try.
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  • NN194495UL
    Any session name will do. Idea is to have just single session, not to create catalog or try different session for each shoot. Just create a session and leave it be.

    When session is open, you can navigate everywhere you want in the file system and modify raw files. Where ever files are modified capture one creates it's own folder that contains it's edits. Photo supreme is aware of those edit files and manages them as well.

    Only few tricks should be remembered:
    - if files are deleted in capture one, they go to session trash. So empty it as well.
    - Set output when prosessing to use image folder as root folder (part of file options in process recepies). That outputs processed images to same folder as original raw, or to it's subfolder, if one is defined in C1.
    - Verify edited folders in Photo Supreme after edits are done.

    Nice thing is that you could even delete the session and create new one later on. As edits are stored in separate folder under the raw images capture one will pick up edits and show them.
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  • Peter Wijn
    ... but how about not finding 40 photos in a 149 photo directory?

    Well, I'll do some cleaning up, start all over and look what happens. Some fifty days to go.

    (the advantage of being an amateur, all time spent on photography is wasted anyway 😉 ).
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Just a small thought. When you do your clean up I recommend doing a Windows-based search for all folders with "CaptureOne" in their name. Then, sort and highlight just the CaptureOne folders and delete the lot, in one go.

    Peter
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  • Peter Wijn
    I removed the subdirectory and all sessions.
    From a new no-named session the directory still shows only 109 photos, of (correction) 144 on the external HD.
    the directory above 2008-11/2008-11-20 shows only 50 of about 250 photos.

    Trying what happens when I copy the directory to my harddisk and looking for them over there.
    ... remove session directory,
    ... remove capture one subdirectory below photo directory
    Start up, and: ... same thing...

    Different directory of 2014 on the same external HD, I tried directly to open a photo in COP from the database PSU: COP was able to get directly to the proper picture, very strange. However, from this directory 265 photos of 272 are found... Much better one might say, but 7 missing pictures is simply unacceptable ☚ī¸...
    I guess COP interpreted the photos I tried to open from PSU in COP in earlier search as missing.

    It is a rather impopular behaviour for a raw-convertor, not being able to find my photos.
    Any hints on what to do?
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  • Peter Wijn
    sadly I carried out as Peter proposed.
    It looked promissing.

    thanks for your help.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Hi Peter

    If I understand you correctly you have tried using the Windows search tool to remove all CaptureOne side-folders. Just one caveat - when I use search like this I always empty the Recycle Bin first so that it is easy to do a full restore if I have made a mess of it!

    Peter
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  • Paul Silk
    To put this in perspective if trying to send a single image from any stand alone DAM program (except PhaseOne's MP1) to a session then CO8 will generate previews for every image in that folder regardless.

    This is similar to sending a single image to Lightroom from a stand alone DAM except LR is slightly better in this respect and generates a temporary list of thumbnails from which you can choose which one you import and sidecar files are only generated for that one file. Not perfect but better than CO8 deals with it by generating previews for every image.
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  • Drew Altdo
    [quote="Paul Silk" wrote:

    This is similar to sending a single image to Lightroom... Not perfect but better than CO8 deals with it by generating previews for every image.


    Lightroom uses Catalogs. You can use a Catalog in Capture One 8 for the same workflow.
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  • Peter Wijn
    @Paul,
    In my perspective, the main issue is that some, way too much (see above), of the NEF files in a directory are not recognised as photos and are ignored, are not even shown on import by Capture One Pro. I certainly could live with the perspective of creating a Phase One subdirectory for each photo folder I touch, since I see advantages of COP processed photos.
    I didn't find a logical reason for this exclusion of these files - no active filters, nor logical differences between the photos found and not found. The photos not found are recognised and opened by Lightroom v5 and by Nikon Capture NX2 without any trouble.
    Probably, it is a matter of user mistake, since I was in a stage of trying the software (eager to learn since the results are promissing). However, I don't like to be able to make this kind of errors.

    @Drew, I assumed these photos would also missing in a catalogue. I didn't test this in the catalogue of COP. In the past I have used iView and Microsoft Expression Media 1 and 2.

    again,
    thanks for looking into this and the answers
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Peter,

    Maybe it is good to know that NEF files that are touched (and altered) by Nikon Capture NX2 software might not open in Capture One 8.
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  • Paul Silk
    [quote="Drew" wrote:
    [quote="Paul Silk" wrote:

    This is similar to sending a single image to Lightroom... Not perfect but better than CO8 deals with it by generating previews for every image.


    Lightroom uses Catalogs. You can use a Catalog in Capture One 8 for the same workflow.


    Not quite true Drew and missing the point, you can send a single image from any folder in a stand alone dam program like ACDsee for example to LR and it only opens that image and builds the preview for only that image. Do the same with CO8 and it builds previews for every image in the folder not just the one you sent to it..that's the difference.
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  • Drew Altdo
    [quote="Paul Silk" wrote:

    Not quite true Drew and missing the point


    Don't think I did. ❓

    [quote="Paul Silk" wrote:
    Do the same with CO8 and it builds previews for every image in the folder


    In a Session, yes.
    In a Catalog, no. Capture One builds a Preview for ONLY the file you import.

    Importing is necessary in Lightroom. Importing is necessary in Capture One Catalog workflow.
    Import a single file, build a preview for a single file.
    That was my point.
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  • Peter Wijn
    [quote="Paul_Steunebrink" wrote:
    Peter,

    Maybe it is good to know that NEF files that are touched (and altered) by Nikon Capture NX2 software might not open in Capture One 8.

    thanks again Paul,

    Nearly all my NEF's are processed in Capture NX2, some of the files COP didn't find were unprocessed. I checked just now and did not find any systematical, recurring reasson why COP did not see those files. I thought about the kind of processing in layer or control points, but no logic found.
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  • Peter Wijn
    Hi there,

    Not content with the results I get from the competition (which is a personal thing probably)...

    Is there a way to get an answer to the question why COP 8 is not reading all raw-files in a directory?
    Is this a known issue?
    (I could sent some files, or a directory... )
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  • Drew Altdo
    Peter,
    In the future please start a new thread as appose to tagging onto one of a different issue.
    In your case it could just be that some of the RAW files in question are not supported.

    Please reference the release notes for supported file types.
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  • Peter Wijn
    thanks for your reaction Drew,
    Indeed the session problem was solved, very soon.

    I'll do as you indicated, and start a new thread, since all files are from supported camera's according to the release notes.
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  • Peter Wijn
    my problem seems to be solved in this thread.

    viewtopic.php?f=52&t=16963

    So I'll not open a new topic.

    I didn't realise there could be two places - more than this folder CO 8.x Software for Windows - to look for a solution.
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