Skip to main content

⚠️ Please note that this topic or post has been archived. The information contained here may no longer be accurate or up-to-date. ⚠️

CP 7.1 move of files = loss of rating

realistgva
I have a very strange behavior. Once my files are ranked I put them into a specific folders in order to process them.
Once they are moved the rating is lost. I thought the xmp file might be missing but it is still there.

For the move I selecte the files and then drag them to the new folder in C1. Any suggestions to preserve the rating ?
0

Comments

9 comments

Date Votes
  • Wade Oram
    In CaptureOne, the xmp file is not generally used. The rankings and all other settings are held in the CaptureOne settings file (.cos). The xmp file is only used to synchronize ratings and other meta data with other programs.

    It is likely that when you moved the raw file, you did not also move the associated settings (.cos) file.

    Depending on the nature of adjustments made, there are several other file types that may also need to be moved with the raw file. These include Lens correction files (.lcc) and Local adjustments mask files (.comask).

    These files are all normally found in the "CaptureOne\Settings70" subfolder creating within the folder containing the images. Failing to copy these additional files along with a raw file will result in all settings and adjustments made in CaptureOne being lost.

    The easiest way to move raw files making sure that these associated files are also moved is to move the files using CaptureOne.

    Wade.
    0
  • SFA
    [quote="realistgva" wrote:
    I have a very strange behavior. Once my files are ranked I put them into a specific folders in order to process them.
    Once they are moved the rating is lost. I thought the xmp file might be missing but it is still there.

    For the move I selecte the files and then drag them to the new folder in C1. Any suggestions to preserve the rating ?



    I read this to mean that you are dragging and dropping the files within C1. Is that correct?

    Are these V7 processed files or from an earlier version and as yet unprocessed in V7?#

    Have you tried the alternative method of moving them by setting you target folder as the "Selects" folder and moving the files to Selects rather than dragging? If so did that provide a different outcome?

    Those questions posed I seem to recall other mentions of this or a very similar problem in the forums. I will try to investigate.

    Grant Perkins


    ETA: Try searching the forum for "lost ratings". The first few entries (assuming the default sort order) relate to V7.

    Are you using sessions or catalogs?
    0
  • Jim MSP
    [quote="SFA" wrote:
    [quote="realistgva" wrote:
    I have a very strange behavior. Once my files are ranked I put them into a specific folders in order to process them.
    Once they are moved the rating is lost. I thought the xmp file might be missing but it is still there.

    For the move I selecte the files and then drag them to the new folder in C1. Any suggestions to preserve the rating ?


    ......

    Are you using sessions or catalogs?

    And another question - are you using a DAM ? (It sounds like not).

    I may try this on my machine later today moving some files both by CO 7 as well as Media Pro which I also use. There are probably some issues on the MP side as well, as it doesn't communicate perfectly with CO 7 yet.
    0
  • realistgva
    Wow I did not expect so many replies on a Sunnday.

    All my files are originally imported on linux and sorted/deleted for my Sony A77 (for the A99 I do this in C1 since the camera is not yet supported)
    Once the files in this case the A99 are ready rated and color coded I sort them and them move them to the appropriate folders and this is where it all falls appart
    I am using sessions
    The files are all new from last night and only processed with C1
    I did move the files from within C1

    I will give select folder a try. The reason I have not used it is that I shoot pictures for the local ice hockey club and there are multiple recipients who get their own set of files: Game, Venue, events, VIP

    Thanks for all your suggestions
    0
  • Coach
    I found a similar issue when deleting files, which is actually moving files to the trash folder. The settings file, .cos, isn't moving with the raws, but is staying in the original settings folder. I've reported this to support.

    It may be the same for you as both operations are moving files to a different folder.

    I seem to be able to work around this, or so it seems, by first allowing C1 to build the proxies and create the initial .cos files (just open the image folder and wait for the previews to finish). Then exit C1 and restart before doing any moves. This is an issue I've dealt with in the past so I thought to use it again here.
    0
  • SFA
    [quote="realistgva" wrote:
    I will give select folder a try. The reason I have not used it is that I shoot pictures for the local ice hockey club and there are multiple recipients who get their own set of files: Game, Venue, events, VIP



    I fully understand that! I often have the same requirement. The suggestion to use the selects folder was more intended as a test to see if the result was different.

    Keywording and Smart albums might be a way forward for the "selection by individual" process but I suspect there may be an overhead to be carried.

    As coach has indicated there might be a 'timing' problem of some sort. Difficult to be sure without experiments. From time to time, randomly and rarely, I have seem similar things in V6 but have never spotted them at a point when I could remember the exact sequence of events that led to them. However in general for a number of reasons I have concluded that it's a good idea to let a folder load entirely after opening it before doing anything else. I apply the same rule to a few other applications as well! My Win 7 installation seems to be getting more fragile as it ages.


    Grant Perkins
    0
  • Ian Wilson
    Moderator
    Top Commenter
    [quote="realistgva" wrote:

    I will give select folder a try. The reason I have not used it is that I shoot pictures for the local ice hockey club and there are multiple recipients who get their own set of files: Game, Venue, events, VIP

    Thanks for all your suggestions

    The point is that you can set any folder as the selects folder. So you could create a folder for Recipient A, set it as the selects folder, and then send the images for Recipient A to the Selects folder. Then you could reset the selects folder to be a folder created to be for Recipient B, and so on.

    Also, if the .cos etc files have not moved when they should have done, you can always copy them over to the appropriate folder outside of C1. I had to do this recently - I had created a new session at Support's suggestion and moved images into it outside of C1. My adjustments, ratings etc were all goner, but that was because I had neglected to copy over the contents of the Settings70 folder. When I copied them over too, all my ratings and adjustments were restored.

    Ian
    0
  • realistgva
    [quote="Coach" wrote:
    I found a similar issue when deleting files, which is actually moving files to the trash folder. The settings file, .cos, isn't moving with the raws, but is staying in the original settings folder. I've reported this to support.

    It may be the same for you as both operations are moving files to a different folder.

    I seem to be able to work around this, or so it seems, by first allowing C1 to build the proxies and create the initial .cos files (just open the image folder and wait for the previews to finish). Then exit C1 and restart before doing any moves. This is an issue I've dealt with in the past so I thought to use it again here.


    I don't think timing should be an issue but will look into that as well. with 7.1 I have recently had cases where I had to restart C1 to be able to actually work on the images. I could seem them in the browser but they would never open up in proper size. I could copy adjustments. Restarting did fix that.

    I have a dedicated windows 7VMWare with 2CPU and 16GB of ram just for C1 there is no other software installed.
    0
  • brianmerwin
    [quote="Wade" wrote:
    In CaptureOne, the xmp file is not generally used. The rankings and all other settings are held in the CaptureOne settings file (.cos). The xmp file is only used to synchronize ratings and other meta data with other programs.


    This is totally true. Capture One doesn't really look at the sidecar files at all and instead stores the metedata in the .cos files however you have the option to change this behavior.

    Enable the "Auto Sync Sidecar XMP" setting in the Image tab of the Capture One preferences. If you configure it to "Full Sync" the metadata (keywords, ratings, colors) will be saved to the XMP sidecar files. Adjustments aren't saved of course - but if the missing ratings are the main concern this should do the trick.

    Of course that needs to happen before the files get moved so the sidecar file gets updated properly. It's generally a quick process though.
    0

Post is closed for comments.