Transition from LR to C1pro
Bit of a noob so forgive me. I'm trying to transition from lightroom to C1. (Windows 7 64bt).
I have set my LR to auto write to xmp, and i'm assuming all my adjustments are in there. Yet when i import my raw and xmp files to a new session in C1 pro, I can't see my adjustments (exposure, colour changes ect), only my star ratings and key words are seen. I've tried the reload meta and sync meta in the metadata field thinking that is what would read the xmp but to no evail. I'm hoping it is something simple as I'm still learning. Could someone please explain in simple terms what to activate so my adjustments are visible. I don't want to convert all to tiff or jpeg.
Thanks in advance. Kal
I have set my LR to auto write to xmp, and i'm assuming all my adjustments are in there. Yet when i import my raw and xmp files to a new session in C1 pro, I can't see my adjustments (exposure, colour changes ect), only my star ratings and key words are seen. I've tried the reload meta and sync meta in the metadata field thinking that is what would read the xmp but to no evail. I'm hoping it is something simple as I'm still learning. Could someone please explain in simple terms what to activate so my adjustments are visible. I don't want to convert all to tiff or jpeg.
Thanks in advance. Kal
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[quote="kal dental" wrote:
...when i import my raw and xmp files to a new session in C1 pro, I can't see my adjustments...
Nor should you. These adjustments and their values are proprietary to Lightroom. That means a value of "2" in a given field will not translate to a value of "2" in Capture One... this simplified explanation is exactly what makes our software's different. Without those variances, the only difference between our software's would be the interface.0 -
Kal,
I think in most cases one can expect some requirement for data conversion between systems, even relatively simple text and number based applications.
A few thoughts.
Firstly, do you actually need to bring all your existing body of work into C1 from its original (RAW?) state. If you do what is driving that need? Might there be an alternative approach that works with far less effort?
Secondly, if you do wish to bring everything into C1 then perhaps you will see better results anyway and the exercise might be worth the effort. I say perhaps because of course the source file and its purpose will be a factor in whether results are "better" in terms of fitness for purpose.
My personal philosophy on this is that I see no great purpose to converting a legacy body of work just because is it there. However if I go back into the legacy stuff for some reason the chances are that I will re-edit it with new versions of applications to see what might be done differently (if there may be some purpose in so doing.) Opportunity inclusion if you see what I mean. But for most things just using the originally satisfactory jpg (?) output file(s) as they were should be satisfactory.
Of course you may have some other need I have not thought about so I'm looking forward to your response with a new challenge.
HTH.
Grant Perkins0 -
Thank you both for your response and courtesy, I was hoping I wouldn't be flamed on this forum. I had a feeling about the proprietary issue. But I also thought that xmp was a "standard" that all raw developers could read and understand it therefore being able to transfer the information over easily. I'm clearly no tech guy.
As for the reason Grant, my partner and I are no longer together and the computer with lightroom installed are hers so i was hoping to transfer the images to my laptop which has C1 on it without having to re edit. Its not a large body of work so converting to tiff might be fine. And as you said, it might be better to edit the raws again in C1 if only for the purpose of learning the software.
I tell you what though, Key wording in this software is really awful, I understand C1 is a raw processor and not a DAM, but not all of us can afford both C1 and media pro. Well the future may hold differently, we''ll see. I'll continue the trial and see where it leads. Thanks again for your response.
Kal0 -
Hi Kal,
Sorry to hear of the reason for you current project. On the positive side of that, if there is one, obtaining copies of digital files, should you wish to, is somewhat easier than doing the same when only printed images are available. On the other hand I guess that the prints might be simply split rather than duplicated.
xmp data is one of those standards that is "standard" but may not always work as expected, partly due to changes over time, partly due to poor is miscoded implementations (often in the past) and partly due to the situation where a developer has different ideas - or the camera manufacturer does their own thing, etc. As the saying can be paraphrased, "Standards are great, everyone should have one".
Comments similar to this could apply to just about all standards but especially the more complicated types that we find in the world of electronic devices!
However the thing about xmp files is that they don't hold edit data and probably could not do so unless all developers used the same methods - in which case you would effectively have only one program to choose from. That may come at some point perhaps, but not yet.
As Drew has described the edit information (for non-destructive editors that are prevalent these days) will be specific to a program or even a range of versions for a program brand with no certainty that older versions will be interpreted as they once were as the product is developed. Sometimes that is simply not possible although for a while new and early approaches may be supported alongside each other.
In some cases products are developed along very similar lines (or identical if the technoclogy is sub-licenced perhaps) to products from other companies and may share or have some ability to share the same edit file format or at least appear to do so. There may be some constraints to that approach though.
I'm no expert on the keywording options available in various editors. I have rarely used keywords in the past, at least in photography. I do have some background in the use of controlled codes (keyword shorthand effectively) for managed searching and smart analysis work. Looking at the options in V7 I have decided to use keywords more than previously. I think there may well be some efficient ways to deploy them in the sort of volume shoots I often undertake. Unfortunately, as so often discovered in the past, the wide application of the commonly used codes is easy but sorting through and adding the most useful individual keywords accurately is always going to take effort and time in the abscence of good facial or object recognition. However, at least for my purposes, I think I am close to understanding how to optimise the Keywording process that would bet suit what I do. In part that will mean knowing when to stop trying to add keywords that provide the nth level of selectivity but are actually providing a solution to a problem I don't have!
Subject to product survival and continuing compatibility concerns there are some low cost or free products out there that might act as a front end DAM though last time I looked Media Pro (which I don't have) did not look too expensive for what it appears to offer. Still doesn't yet tempt me though - I think I can do everything I have identified I need to do (so far) using Windows folders and C1. So long as I stick with sessions it may help that I hardly ever use any other editor that would might force me to re-think that by demanding support of its own file concepts.
HTH.
Grant Perkins0 -
Please try Capture One 7.1.3.
We introduced a Lightroom Catalog Import tool. It will not read all settings, and is in the Beta stage, but can read many universal adjustments such as Exposure, Contrast, Saturation, White Balance.0 -
For the past few years I have been going back and fourth between C1 and LR. I started my digital life in C1 but over the years Adobe has improved their cataloging abilities where Phase1 does not have a cataloging option which works flawlessly enough for my to rely on. SO VERY Sadly I find myself going back to LR over and over again. I can say without any reservation that the color and shadow reproduction in C1 is enough better that reprocessing your images in C1 is worth the effort. (I cannot wait until I can have a catalog with the flexibility and usability that I have with LR. ) 0 -
[quote="NN634756744767534272UL" wrote:
For the past few years I have been going back and fourth between C1 and LR. I started my digital life in C1 but over the years Adobe has improved their cataloging abilities where Phase1 does not have a cataloging option which works flawlessly enough for my to rely on. SO VERY Sadly I find myself going back to LR over and over again. I can say without any reservation that the color and shadow reproduction in C1 is enough better that reprocessing your images in C1 is worth the effort. (I cannot wait until I can have a catalog with the flexibility and usability that I have with LR. )
I use both as well. Both have their strengths. But CO wins the color and the portrait battles hands down, at least for me.
I would say that LR has some decent catalog capabilities, especially on the import side. But I also use Media Pro, and I find that a better package to input keywords, and to do keyword searches.
And Media Pro communicates quite well today with CO 7, esp in the sessions mode that I use. If you haven't tried the latest version of MP with CO, I'd recommend you try it. The earlier versions had issues, but the latest one is pretty darn good.0 -
Hi Drew,
I have 7.1.3 but I can't find the import from LR catalog?
Achim0 -
[quote="NN271952UL" wrote:
Hi Drew,
I have 7.1.3 but I can't find the import from LR catalog?
Achim
Per the release notes:
Import of Adobe Lightroom catalogs on Mac (beta).
So if you are on a Windows system, you won't see it yet.0 -
Well i finally got all the raw files from my ex's computer and on to my laptop. I started the laborious task of key wording them in C1. Within 15 minutes I was so frustrated, i found myself downloading the Lightroom 5 trial just so i could key word them easier.
So I Import in C1 , then into LR for key wording then back to C1 for adjustments. To me, this seems counter productive and although I was using both products for there strengths, I had the constant thought in the back of my head.." well, while your here in LR, why not just do the adjustments here as well !? ".
If C1 could nail the key wording style of LR in one product, they would surely win a lot of votes there way, at least in my locale.0 -
[quote="kal dental" wrote:
Well i finally got all the raw files from my ex's computer and on to my laptop. I started the laborious task of key wording them in C1......
If C1 could nail the key wording style of LR in one product, they would surely win a lot of votes there way, at least in my locale.
While I go back and forth a bit with LR as well, I really recommend that you give the latest Media Pro a trial run.
For key-wording and searches, I promise you will really love it.
And it communicates really well with CO 7, esp in sessions mode where I use CO.0 -
Kal,
I just checked the LR Keyword vidoe and although it's different to C1 I'm not sure what about it would be a special benefiit for LR over C1.
What did you find most frustrating about C1 and most attractive about LR?
Jim,
Can you point me to the specific things you like about Media Pro over the basic C1 functionality. Given I have discovered how quickly I can into keywording with C1 I might just reconsider my relucatance to bother with most of the non-camera produced metadata. If MP is better again then maybe I should be looking at it. Thanks in advance for any pointers you can offer.
Best,
Grant Perkins0 -
Just out of curiosity, Can media pro and C1 use the same catalog? . So I could effectively go into C1 do edits, tags,bla,bla, and not have to go to MP to sync or update that catalog?. There for I could do a search in either software and come up with the same images as there all updated in the same catalog?
Kal0 -
[quote="Jim MSP" wrote:
Import of Adobe Lightroom catalogs on Mac (beta).
So if you are on a Windows system, you won't see it yet.
🤭 🤭 Sorry... got excited, forgot I was on the Windows thread.0 -
Where cn I find the release notes?
Achim0 -
[quote="NN271952UL" wrote:
Where cn I find the release notes?
Achim
http://www.phaseone.com/en/Downloads/Ca ... Pro-7.aspx right here, look under "Documentation", just beneath the download button.0
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