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Problem with DRO images and Capture One 8x

NNN635656747947842588
I taked two photos, one with Sony DRO (Dynamic Range Optimization) and the other without DRO.

If I open the photos (raw files) with Sony sofware, I can see clearly the differences between the images, the one taked with DRO active have a expanded dinamic range, and I have more details in lights and shadows ( the image taked without DRO activated haven´t).

But if I open with Capture one, both are identical... is like I did both without DRO active.

Why this is happening? Even in camera screen I can see the difference with DRO on or off....
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  • Keith Reeder
    Capture One cannot understand or apply the Sony-specific adjustments that DRO applies, so it simply ignores the DRO setting.
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  • Jeff Griffin
    Therein, possibly, lies an interesting issue.

    Sony no longer have software for their cameras, they come with a free license for Capture One Express ( for Sony )
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  • SFA
    [quote="NN106228UL2" wrote:
    Therein, possibly, lies an interesting issue.

    Sony no longer have software for their cameras, they come with a free license for Capture One Express ( for Sony )


    I'm not sure it is really an issue.

    If it is I would assume that Sony and Phase will address it.

    But in effect is is just like any other in-camera processing that applies to the processed jpg representation of the scene. It's processed from the RAW data (whether retained or discarded) and that's all there is to it.

    You have a jpg (as with all the pother manufacturers) created from the RAW data and the camera's internal process settings.

    As soon as you abandon the internal process (and the compromises that come with that process) the game changes and you are freed to do your own thing with the images you have created.

    Presumably with the Sony products you are completely free to select what is provided to you directly from the camera or take the RAW and head off in your own direction. That is how the Canon and Nikon built in processing options seem to work.

    I have never found that approach to be problematic - it offers the best of all available worlds to the consumer!


    YMMV.


    HTH.


    Grant.
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  • don maclean
    [quote="NN106228UL2" wrote:
    Therein, possibly, lies an interesting issue.

    Sony no longer have software for their cameras, they come with a free license for Capture One Express ( for Sony )


    You can still get image data converter, if you want to replicate in camera JPEGs, from http://support.d-imaging.sony.co.jp/imsoft/Win/us.html
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  • Keith Reeder
    [quote="NN106228UL2" wrote:
    Therein, possibly, lies an interesting issue.

    Sony no longer have software for their cameras, they come with a free license for Capture One Express ( for Sony )

    Sure thing (although Don says that Sony's software is still available).

    Some Canon cameras now come with Lightroom rather than Canon's DPP, but Lightroom still can't understand Canon's "in house" adjustments like its Highlight Tone Priority (HTP).

    So - like Capture One with Sony's DRO - Lightroom simply ignores the metadata tag that would tell DPP to apply the necessary processing.

    I suppose if there was a clamour from Sony users about it, Phase One might consider arranging with Sony to import the necessary code; but even then it doesn't necessarily mean that the end result would match the output of Sony's own software - its entire image processing pipeline will be entirely different to that of Capture One, so I suspect it'd be something of a Fool's Errand to push for it in Capture One.
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  • NNN635656747947842588
    Sony cameras come with PlayMemories software for editing and manage photos and image data converter, you can download for free from Sony´s website.

    Anyway, I am not sure how DRO works... I am not sure if curves data can be write on exif, or if DRO really changes the raw pixels values to get detailed shadows...

    If is possible to get the same results on a photo taked without DRO with Capture one, than a photo taked with DRO and Sony software, the problem isn´t so big... I will try.

    But would be a good thing if capture one fix this problems in future updates... is the same with 16:9 taked pictures that capture one don´t recognise, and show at 4:3.

    You should not need to lost time with this kind of things, after all, you taked the decision when the photo was taken... DRO, size, WB... etc should be read for capture one and applied...

    In a perfect world, you should be able to choose to open only the raw as it is, or if the camera settings (DRO; WB; size, etc) must be applied... this will save a lot of time.
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  • SFA
    [quote="NNN635656747947842588" wrote:


    In a perfect world, you should be able to choose to open only the raw as it is, or if the camera settings (DRO; WB; size, etc) must be applied... this will save a lot of time.


    Using the pre-edited jpg form the camera would save you the most time.



    Grant
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  • NNN635656747947842588
    [quote="SFA" wrote:

    Using the pre-edited jpg form the camera would save you the most time.

    Grant


    But is better if I can start from a raw file with the settings from the camera and do just a little fine tunning when needed... on a jpg file quality is worse.
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