Renaming glitch !! C1pro 5x ...
1st. Can you guys tell me why when I rename images (in batch or single) the image stay on the same spot !! does not relocate to it's order " by Name " ?? It is so slow !!!!!
2nd. why when I rename images it's starts from a last Number ..... Why not start from "001" or "0001" .... That's why we are Renaming it !!!
3rd. C1p-5 does not save names any more ... why ?? Every time we need to go back to a pass shot and start shooting again on it you need to name it all over ... use to save last 10 or 15 names .... so you could just select it ...
I have lot's of Complaining / suggestions ... will try to do it slowly ....
We shoot a lot of Catalogue pictures every day ... every client have a specific way to name images/product and C1pro 5 make it be harder in many ways ..... C1pro 3.7.x was much easy to rename ... and faster too ... It just take too long to rename on C1pro 5. It actually slow down the Computer ... like many tasks on it that should be easy ....
Just for the record we have a MacPro Intel Quad 3ghz .... 6GB Ram ....
Thanks.
2nd. why when I rename images it's starts from a last Number ..... Why not start from "001" or "0001" .... That's why we are Renaming it !!!
3rd. C1p-5 does not save names any more ... why ?? Every time we need to go back to a pass shot and start shooting again on it you need to name it all over ... use to save last 10 or 15 names .... so you could just select it ...
I have lot's of Complaining / suggestions ... will try to do it slowly ....
We shoot a lot of Catalogue pictures every day ... every client have a specific way to name images/product and C1pro 5 make it be harder in many ways ..... C1pro 3.7.x was much easy to rename ... and faster too ... It just take too long to rename on C1pro 5. It actually slow down the Computer ... like many tasks on it that should be easy ....
Just for the record we have a MacPro Intel Quad 3ghz .... 6GB Ram ....
Thanks.
0
-
Please tell us how you do the rename action, whether it is during tethering or from imported/saved on disk images, what raw files you use and how much time it takes (xx sec of yy images approx.) and version of OS X and CO5. Thank you. 0 -
We rename after we finish the shot .... This is just one example , here we go:
We create a Session for every catalog day .... in the session we make new folders for each shot in the capture folder ...
This new folder has it shot name like" S0067384_PP310" , that correspond to the product # and it's book/year ...
But for every shot we do lot's of variations + the getting the light right + etc ... So we end up having various images with sequence #'s in the end ("S0067384_PP310_046.IIQ") ..... And some times things get to crazy, to fast paste .... and we shot images with the wrong # , and we need to Rename it .....
So to rename them and have it in order to send to the client with it's variations we need to rename it after we trash the bad one's .....
We select all the images + Batch Rename ..... But the numbers that comes up after is not : _001.IIQ .... it is always a continuous number from the session .... but my client wants to see only _001.IIQ to _005.IIQ ! I know it is a crazy client and they have a bad set-up ..... but C1p-5 is not helping and it does not make much sense ...
But, Any way ...
We shoot tether from a P25+ for years .... And some times I just can't believe that Renaming would make my computer slow down and I would be siting watching a progress bar pass for a few seconds to Rename a couple of images ...
My biggest client was the one that made me change from 3.7.9 to 5 ..... and they HATE it now ....
Please enlighten me ...
Thanks.0 -
[quote="Sandi" wrote:
1st. Can you guys tell me why when I rename images (in batch or single) the image stay on the same spot !! does not relocate to it's order " by Name " ?? It is so slow !!!!!
-The sort in Capture One is not "Live". This means that once you rename a single image you need to go to View--> Sort... and then choose Name. This will get your images back in line.[quote="Sandi" wrote:
2nd. why when I rename images it's starts from a last Number ..... Why not start from "001" or "0001" .... That's why we are Renaming it !!!
-When renaming a large group of images separated by folders, or renaming specific images, it makes sense to retain the number that you left off with. No?[quote="Sansdi" wrote:
3rd. C1p-5 does not save names any more ... why ?? Every time we need to go back to a pass shot and start shooting again on it you need to name it all over ... use to save last 10 or 15 names .... so you could just select it
-How do you mean? If you batch rename, the field holds whatever name you last entered.[quote="Sandi" wrote:
It just take too long to rename on C1pro 5. It actually slow down the Computer .
-Where are you files located? Capture One needs to rename 4 files for each image you choose to rename, doing this safely takes a bit of effort. If your images aren't local, that process is complicated further.0 -
OK. I get that ... But C1p-5 is doing more work them it should ... It is just digits ... I'm not touching the image ... Am I ??? If so ... 3.7.9 had a better architecture .... Renaming was a "live" and fast no matter where they were located .... [quote="Drew " wrote:
-When renaming a large group of images separated by folders, or renaming specific images, it makes sense to retain the number that you left off with. No?
NO !! It does not !!! That's why I'm Renaming !!! The name says .... Rename ... That means I'm correcting something or making a new name, isn't it ?? .... So even if I'm giving a name that already exist It should start with it's last number to that Name, NOT to the last TOTAL Number .... Doesn't it make more sense ?? It work like this before .... And it make super sense to every one I work with .....[quote="Drew " wrote:
-How do you mean? If you batch rename, the field holds whatever name you last entered.
What I mean is that in the pass the C1p saved the past 10 or 15 or 20 or etc ... Last names .... So if you were to go back to a shoot that you did early on the day ... you could go back to the folder "SSP2768987_EWF10" and be able to look for on a droplet menu to the right name for that shoot "SSP2768987_EWF10" ... It would make sense and save people lot's of time .... What you think ?
We are shooting to a local drive ... one of the Internal drives .... But in any way it seems to be heavy ... As i said before It can be more them a few MB of information that I'm adding or changing .... it should not take this long for less them a dozen images ... before too ... You guys had it right !! Why can't you look back and check how it was done them … compare to how is it now ... you will see ... It just add lots of time to the work flow ...
Please believe I use to be the first one to say C1p is the best .... but know .... I just hope you guys stay away from the Aperture like software ... They had it Wrong !!! Don't go that way ! Please ....
We want C1p to be the best Shooting, Processing, Organizing tool !! As it has been before .... Don't need to do more them that .... We like all the new stuff, but it is not worth to add more if will compromise the work flow and efficiency of a great capture tool .....
Thanks for listening ...
I have more topics to go through with you guys ... soon ... thanks.0 -
[quote="Sandi" wrote:
You guys had it right !! Why can't you look back and check how it was done them … compare to how is it now ... you will see ...
I hope you can understand that we do know how it was done and the changes we made were to improve the software. Perhaps some of the adjustments came at a price, but overall they were done to better aspects of the program not hinder them.
If you could create a support case and reference this forum thread I'll be more than happy to submit your feature requests through the right channels (renaming drop down menu and resetting to "001").0 -
How can I do that ??
The Support case ?
Thanks again ...0 -
Thanks ...
FYI ... Yes I know that you guys know the last C1p ... But I can't believe that it came with improvements that compromise work flow that much ... Did someone look at it, try it, and say: "Oh that's good !" ???? Really ?? What computer are you guys using ??
But I'm happy to start a friendly talk with C1p ... I know everyone have a different work flow .... But It need to be said that Photographers like myself are use to get a camera and used it till it dies .... Because we like the Lens, grip on it, etc ... And because we knew it inside out !! We don't want to be changing Tools all the time ... we need to take Pictures !!
Don't you agree ??
Best.0 -
[quote="Sandi" wrote:
We don't want to be changing Tools all the time ... we need to take Pictures !!
Don't you agree ??
Unfortunately I don't agree, as photographers we are all obligated to do both. As technology changes so does photography, that's just the nature of the game. What seems difficult for most people, in my opinion, is the rate at which it changes. If you don't want to work with constantly changing tools or have new techniques imposed upon you, then I dare say you are in the wrong field. Ever since inception Photography has been evolving, and evolving quickly... remember, film is less than 150 years old, 35mm SLR's are less than 80 years old and the commercial digital camera is less than 21, if it was a person it couldn't even buy a beer!!!(in the U.S anyway) Since this field is now nearly entirely computer based, it is destined to grow at the same speed as computer technology, which I'm sure you (as well as Mr. Moore) would agree is quite fast. As such, the only constant that Photography has ever had is change and we as photographers have no choice but to keep up with it... or take up painting.
Your suggestions here are all valid, and from what I can see they are the first of their kind. Once we have the proper suggestions in a support case we can pass them to our programmers/R&D department for further consideration. The same people who either overlooked this aspect before, and will correct this, or redirected these tools for a valid and well researched reason. So please create the support case and give us the benefit of the doubt.0 -
I'm sorry But I can't be in the wrong business ... I've been doing well since before your time ....
Do not insult me!! You don't have the right to do it to any one !!! I'm a user of this Software, but before that, I'm a PHOTOGRAPHER !!
Don't tell me what business I need to be in !! You guys are the one's getting into my Business .... Yes, Changes are happening in the Business but not in Photography !! What is changing are the tools only! Remember that !!!
Tools like that comes and goes .
As a photographer for more them 30 years with a 25 years studio in Soho Manhattan. I don't think you have the right to say this to me !!!
I'm a user/ Photographer. I'm here to bring to Phase One's attention things that I see on the working environment . Shooting every day . I'm not sitting behind a computer trying new things for the rec of it !
I'm working with it !! I purchase a $35,000.00 back with the money I earn from this Job.
Please now, I am making a former complain to your attitude !!
THIS IS NOT WHAT A COSTUME SERVICE /FORM PERSON that sign-in, on a company's name should be writing !!!
I like technology and am willing to learn, but I don't need to agree with all of it !! Special when it make more of a hassle ....
Have a nice day.0 -
Sandi,
Sorry if I insulted you, that was certainly not my intent. I'm simply trying to offer explanation for the constant speed of change and rest assured, the changes will just keep on coming.
Again, if I insulted you it was unintentional and I sincerely apologize.0 -
I just ran across this thread and I wanted to say that for the recent batch naming I've been doing, I'm glad the previous image number is retained and I prefer it that way. But I can see that someone doing a lot of naming and wanting it to automatically reset might get frustrated. Perhaps a reset button rather than a drop down menu item might be faster. Or else have a preference item to choose the numbering strategy.
Rick0 -
A reset would be nice or the ability to choose the nuber sequence to begin. In our workflow we have two photographers shooting with different cameras, processing at different workstations. We archive our images sequential for the year. So having the ability to start 125 numbers ahead of where I left of because the other photographer has updated his numbering sequence would be great. This is a basic function of most Raw Convertors and Image Processing programs. Make it happen C1! ex. img1010e10359.ext img1010e10455.ext 0 -
[quote="Rick142" wrote:
Or else have a preference item to choose the numbering strategy.
Rick
As in 3.7.x ?
+1
Maybe the preferences drop down arrow on each tool should be preceded by "..." or get hi-lighted when your mouse rolls over it so that it draws attention to itself. I think a lot of people don't realize what's in there. It's really powerful and would certainly help Sandi w.r.t. resetting the batch rename counter back to 001.
-Nik0 -
I didn't see it mentioned but...
- you can reset the counter to "0" so your renamed files will start with 001, 002 etc.
- if it does NOT let you do this, it is because you are trying to overwrite files that have the same names (thank goodness it doesn't let you)
- in this case, you must FIRST renumber your files with ending digits that don't conflict (so if you have 450 files, rename them starting at "500" or something)
- THEN, rename them again starting at 001 etc.
Clear as mud?0 -
[quote="josephjason" wrote:
josephjason
to josephjason-
what if i want to rename files with the same filenames? Like when C1P crashes during tethered shooting and when the software is usable again the photographer needs to shoot right away so the capture counter is off and you get 003 1, 004 1, etc.
it is much faster to just rename the whole folder once instead of twice. On set I dont have time for stupid double renaming workarounds.
Doesnt make sense to me why this is different in v4 and v5 from how it was in v3.
sorry but its not clear as mud as people have different workflows and time constraints. for those of us on big jobs it important for the software to help us do our job efficiently and the engineers should assume that the users know what he or she is doing - not try to make it idiot-proof.0 -
Unfortunately I don't agree, as photographers we are all obligated to do both. As technology changes so does photography, that's just the nature of the game. What seems difficult for most people, in my opinion, is the rate at which it changes. If you don't want to work with constantly changing tools or have new techniques imposed upon you, then I dare say you are in the wrong field. Ever since inception Photography has been evolving, and evolving quickly... remember, film is less than 150 years old, 35mm SLR's are less than 80 years old and the commercial digital camera is less than 21, if it was a person it couldn't even buy a beer!!!(in the U.S anyway) Since this field is now nearly entirely computer based, it is destined to grow at the same speed as computer technology, which I'm sure you (as well as Mr. Moore) would agree is quite fast. As such, the only constant that Photography has ever had is change and we as photographers have no choice but to keep up with it... or take up painting.
I'm sorry but this is direct from the mouth of someone who doesn't shoot for a living. And thanks for the history lesson...or take up painting...
Good job insulting painters. Trust me, painters would be insulted is I called myself a painter. I'll be honest, I can't paint so what do you suggest I do?
I have to agree with Sandi in regards to renaming.-When renaming a large group of images separated by folders, or renaming specific images, it makes sense to retain the number that you left off with. No?
The No? part was too idiotic and unprofessional of a comment from P1 for me to even put much thought into a response.
Yes, I would prefer it have the option to start from 001. It would make much more since, as I keep multiple subfolders and sometimes shoot into the wrong one. That's due to a variety of things, how full on the job is that day, the number of assistants that I have on set for the day or if I'm simply working with a new digi tech who isn't used to my workflow, speed or my multiple mind changes at the last minute. Renaming at the end clears things up for me as well as the client.
I do think that most times the responses that P1 comes back with are more geared to people who are taking pictures of pretty waterfalls in parks, who then sit down at home downloading the images so they can post them on flicker. To be clear, I'm not trying to insult those that do use C1 for that purpose, but C1 is a software that professionals use on a daily basis and greatly depend on for their workflow. Yes, technology will change and advance but I'm usually too tired at the end of the day to look forward to learning new bits to software. I'm lucky if I get 4 waking hours at home per day leaving at 6:45 every morning and would prefer to try and leave work at the studio if and when possible.
PLEASE NOTE: Take Adobe and PS for instance. I've been a user since v4 or 5 (can't remember) and each time a new version comes out, it works just like the last version but with a few new bits that you can discover along the way. You don't need to sit down to a forum to work out why something isn't the same as before. Sure their support is crap but I think I've had to use it once in the multiple years I've been using it. Workflow in PS is roughly the same as from the start and you can just get on with it. You don't need me telling you that v3 of C1 was a completely different program then what v4 or 5 has become. That change was like having to learn to speak Chinese.
Also when a problem arrises and it can't be figured out on set, 24 hours is just way too long to wait for half a response that usually involves something that is only a temp solution (until the next update). Some people actually make serious money shooting and don't have time for stupid and needless unresolved bugs that could have been sorted before you released the next update. Clients don't want to know what the problem is, they only want it fixed and you shooting.
Keep in mind Phaseone, that when a daily budget for crew, studio, models, etc is reaching 20k+ per day, easy, you don't want a piece of £300 software screwing it up.0 -
Why isn't it possible to make a preset to switch the renaming (and also the naming!) to a way we had it in 3.7?
I just have to do a lot of renaming because the names don't stick to the session name like they did in 3.7.
I often have to change between session (tethered and untethered) and know everytime I have to type the name again (what i nearly always forget!).
This was perfect in 3.7. Can someone please explain me why this has been changed?0
Post is closed for comments.
Comments
18 comments