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Bad D7000 colors

Olle Cello
Hello there

I've allways liked Capture One. A friend of mine owns it (the pro version) and I use it at lot at her place. The colors with my Nikon D70 was wonderful. Far superior to Adobe Lightroom. But now, since I've bought the new Nikon D7000 the colors från Capture One is simply horrible. Especially the hair and skin tones looks terrible. Oversaturated, especially in the shadow areas. It's simply useless. I have used the D7000 generic profile.

The only way to get decent results from Capture One with the D7000 is to change color profile to either Pentax K5 generic or Nikon D90 generic v3 profile. Then the results are okay, but then the greens and blues have the wrong hue. I've tried everything to get decent results from Capture One with my D7000 but it's simply impossible.

Is there a D7000 generiv v2 coming up or must we D7000-shooters abandon Capture One completely?

Regards
Olle
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  • Olle Cello
    Anyone? Has anyone gotten the D7000 to work with Capture One?
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    I did a search on both the CO6 forums (Win & Mac) on "d7000" and was surprised to see the very few posts with that tag. Because I expect there are quite some D7000 users out there, they apparently do not have issues, otherwise they would have posted.

    Maybe you can post some screen shots here or make a raw file available for review by forum members so they have something to discuss with you.

    Or you open a support case with Phase One and provide them some raw files.

    Do what best fits your needs.
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  • Olle Cello
    Oh... My Bad... Seems like it's Nikon that has changed their colors instead. We downloaded some identical test images with different cameras and left them on default. And they did look almost identical. But processed through Nikon Capture they looked COMPLETELY different. Seems like it's the new Picture Control system that is differing from what I'm used to.

    But still... left on Standard Profile with Standard film most pictures are too saturated and quite unatural skin and hair tones. But I guess I will learn to not judge the picture from what I see on the display and instead adjust my shooting to Capture One. I still prefer Capture One though. But set to Linear respons and +36 in lightness.

    Thanks a lot. 😄
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    [quote="Olle Cello" wrote:
    We downloaded some identical test images with different cameras and left them on default. And they did look almost identical. But processed through Nikon Capture they looked COMPLETELY different. Seems like it's the new Picture Control system that is differing from what I'm used to.

    The more variables you bring into the equation the more confused you will be. Advice: keep it simple.
    [quote="Olle Cello" wrote:
    But set to Linear respons and +36 in lightness.

    That sounds terribly wrong to me.

    On average subjects in regular daylight you should need minor modifications in Capture One (white balance, exposure, levels). Film curve should be set to standard and with the default profile. This should give you a satisfactory image in the viewer and the processed image should be 99% identical when viewed with Capture One or a properly color managed application like Photoshop.

    Wtih any other outcome I suggest to contact support. They can review the image and the adjustments and look at other settings (monitor profile, output profile). Of course you can discuss that here too if you please.
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  • Baxter Bradford
    I don't like the colours which C1Pro produces using the default profile for my D7000. There seems to be too much red. I experimented and for some images, the D90 version 3 profile worked better.

    This is the first camera where I've had a problem with the colours from C1.

    Additionally C1 import dialogue doesn't see the NEF files (haven't tried shooting jpeg), so I have to copy the card across using OSX or import via LR3. Once in the folder, C1 then sees them correctly.
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  • Mark19
    I have the same issue. Certain shooting conditions are fine, but skin tones in shadows are too saturated trending orange-to-red. This is not from using the C1 HDR tools, but they will further exaggerate the saturation problem. I regularly test many RAW conversion apps., and I've been a huge C1 pro user and fan since version 3. Up until the D7000 sensor, C1 pro has nailed the colors better than any competitor. C1 even does a great job with the D700 which otherwise tends to be a bit over-saturated. C1 pro is a great product, but I would like the D7000 colors more expertly handled. To me, nailing the colors (esp. skin) can be more artistically important in some situations than nailing the focus.
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  • dougstroud
    I used Nikon's Raw software "Capture NX2", I like their initial color rendering, but nothing else. I tried LR3 which was good for color but not perfect, everything else about the program I loved... except the image quality always seemed a bit lower than what it should. Then I went back to C1, and it did such a great job with the image quality and is so much faster than Capture NX2 that I made the switch. I too found my images to be to "red" in the skin tones.

    I spoke to Derrick from Integrated Color who specializes in ICC Profiles and he explained that Nikon sets up their sensors to be more "accurate" compared to Canon who sets theirs to more pleasing. I changed my default ICC to a Canon profile and use it almost exclusively with Caucasian skin tones.

    I am considering getting a custom profile done on my camera....
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    A general tip on tweaking camera profiles and how you can do this with Capture One (preferably Pro).

    Use the Color Editor to change overall color rendition. Next, save it as an ICC Profile (tool's title bar, click on triangle) and use that profile in the Base Characteristics tool. Done.
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  • dougstroud
    great tip!!! thanks paul
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  • Olle Cello
    Hello

    Still no sign of a D7000 generic v2? I've completely abandoned Capture One now as the profile for the D7000 really sucks. And here are three photos to prove my point. I've downloaded three similar pictures with three cameras: D7000, D3100 and 60D. Opened them up in Capture One, done nothing, and developed them. Nothing else. The bad one is the D7000.

    This is simply not acceptable. Until you've fixed this. Capture One is simply not usable with D7000.

    Nikon D3100
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27605059/D7000% ... I00100.jpg

    Canon 60D
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27605059/D7000% ... 100_P2.jpg

    Nikon D7000
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27605059/D7000% ... I00100.jpg
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  • rap_digital
    Olle the d7000 in your test shots is also under exposed. So you aren't going to get the same skin as the canon. Nikon as a rule over exposes the blue channel so that they can shoot higher iso. This has the side effect of making it a little harder to get skin right, especially under exposed skin. As Paul mentioned you can get alot closer by creating a profile.

    it's kinda like how we used to shoot fuji for some things and korai for others 😂
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  • Olle Cello
    I think you are wrong. Here it is exposed up by 0.33 EV and it still looks HORRIBLE compared to D3100 that seems to be a LOT better.

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27605059/D7000% ... 100_EU.jpg
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27605059/D7000% ... I00100.jpg

    In Lightroom the D7000 picture is NOT underexposed and shows overall MUCH better colors (the exact same files are used):

    D3100 (no exposure change, Lightroom)
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27605059/D7000% ... I00100.jpg

    D7000 (no exposure change, Lightroom)
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27605059/D7000% ... I00100.jpg

    to be compared with...

    D7000 (no exposure change, Capture One)
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27605059/D7000% ... I00100.jpg
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  • Olle Cello
    No response at all?
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Does not look nice at all, indeed. As I suggested earlier, contact Phase One in a support case. Maybe it is already on their list to review the D7000 profile.
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  • dougstroud
    In the mean time, you can create your own profile... as I did for the D3s. I found a Canon profile that I liked for Caucasian skin tones and then copied it to the C1's folder so it defaults to it initially.

    See Here:
    viewtopic.php?f=40&t=10704&p=47898&hilit=base+characteristics#p47898

    This is a thread that Paul helped me in.
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  • rap_digital
    Sorry Olle I'm in the middle of a desert teching a campaign. Have you tried creating your own profile? It may be my iPad screen 🙄 but still think the d7000 is fraction under maybe not 1/3 stop.

    I find that for most things I shoot with the d7000 (it's my personal mostly landscape camera) I'm able to get better overall color than I can get out of my d3x or 5d2. I personally like that cameras have different responses.
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  • Mark19
    Stop-gap solution.

    After much experimenting with ICC profiles, I found that a simple solution is the best for now. Simply use the Phase One IQ180 "Daylight" profile and increase saturation to about +4 to +8. This gives a much closer to true color solution.

    I still call on Phase One to provide an updated default profile for D7000 cameras. While the big camera makers from Japan are slowed in production of higher end models, I have seen units like the D7000 become very popular, so it would make good business sense to fill this rare hole in C1 performance.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Another solution is to build you own profile. I did it with a Gretag ColorChecker DG chart and ProfileMaker. I ended up with something very close to the Pentax K5 Generic but of course, I can easily generate several of them with more or less contrast, saturation, etc

    Then I saved the C1 profile just in case and installed mine as default. Works fine and by building another profile for my Leica M9, I have very close colors between the 2 cameras.

    P.S: Building its own profile is not very difficult but you need some hardware & software. I also know of at least one company which will do it for a fee. You'll still need the hardware but not the software.
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  • florian Muehl
    I have the same problem. I have upgraded from the D3100 to the d5100 (same sensor as D7000). Skin tones and overal look is very reddish. Colors seems to be oversaturated.
    Changing ICC Profile to D5000 looks better. Changing to D7000 makes no differnece - so I think thats the same profile und same issue.

    Default settings with Aperture 3, DxO 7 and view NX are much better than capture one default settings. I have submitted a support case to phase one. They told me, that there are no known issues with the profile. (Support was very fast and friendly)

    +1 for a better profile for Nikon D7000/D5100
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  • olivernielsen
    I totally agree. The skintone / color rendition of D7000 in Capture One is horrendously bad. Please fix it!

    Or, is this a deliberate move to make people wanna buy Phase One backs to get good skintones? 👿
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  • Drew Altdo
    Anyone that feels the ICC profiles need to be adjusted, simply create a support case and provide specific files that illustrate what you feel needs to be improved. Color charts and specifics about your settings within the software (files in EIP) are highly recommended. Without files, the matter remains an opinion that we cannot substantiate.
    Users are always welcome to offer suggestions and feedback for improvement but we need files that definitively show the direction you would like Capture One to take.
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  • dave64
    Months ago someone posted a portrait on this forum. It had a heavy red cast and was acknowledged as such by by a moderator at that time. We all see the same heavy red tone (not just red but overall bad). Why is that a case by case issue and not a general one?
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  • Keith Reeder
    [quote="dave64" wrote:
    Why is that a case by case issue and not a general one?

    That's not how Phase One works - it has long (always?) been that issues will only accepted as such if "formalised" by a support case.

    Makes sense really - if the devs had to jump every time a given forum thread developed a certain arbitrary "critical mass" they'd be all over the place - not a good way to maximise limited dev resources, and in the case you cite, it's not really enough to point at a jpeg posted on a forum (that might have processed God knows how) and expect this to be considered "definitive": the creation of a support case (as Drew suggests up the page) allows the devs access to Raws, development settings, behind-the-scenes confirmation of things like monitor calibration, and so on.

    As an aside, I do think it's interesting that the problem referred to in this thread - too much orange-to-red in the D7000 profile - is very like what some us have commented on in the past in relation to the Cap One Canon 7D profile: and like some suggestions here, the workaround I came up with is to rename a "better" profile (in my case the Canon 1D Mk III profile) so that it's called instead of the original 7D profile.

    There seems to be something of a pattern emerging here...

    😉
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  • Hambern
    Okay.

    Could not find any better than these to illustrate the problem. I found these pictures from Imaging resource shot under really controlled environment.

    Here are two pictures achieved with Nikon Capture NX 2.

    Standard settings:
    Nikon D3100: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/75491456/D7000% ... andard.jpg
    Nikon D7000: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/75491456/D7000% ... andard.jpg

    Both look pretty similar and fairly okay.

    Here are the exact same NEF-files processed with Capture One Pro 6.2.

    Standard settings:
    Nikon D3100: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/75491456/D7000% ... andard.jpg
    Nikon D7000: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/75491456/D7000% ... andard.jpg

    First of all: both look really bad. But the D7000 skin tones are HORRIBLE. Completely useless and with this kind of result you shouldn't really charge people money for your software.

    Please fix this. It has taken far to long by now. And we users really shouldn't have to point this out.
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    [quote="Hambern" wrote:
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    Please fix this.
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    For your information (and welcome to this user-to-user forum), for any issue you like to address directly to Phase One, please create a support case. Here, you are (primarily) talk to your peers.
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  • Hambern
    Until this is fixed it works pretty good to use Pentax K5-Generic V2 and adjust exposure up with 0,23
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  • Hambern
    [quote="Paul_E" wrote:
    For your information (and welcome to this user-to-user forum), for any issue you like to address directly to Phase One, please create a support case. Here, you are (primarily) talk to your peers.


    I actually believe I've done so. And I'm sure plenty of other D7000 users has done so as well, depending on how the current D7000 profile renders colors. But sure, I can send them an e-mail, pointing this out.
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  • Hambern
    An even better sollution seems to be to pick the Fujifilm X100 profile and set Brightness to +10. Leave the rest. That's a pretty good starting point.
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  • swen_v
    Hi Gents,

    I have just started again to use C1 (pro evaluation, since I used C1 express before with other cameras) again and have the same problem with my D7000. I do not have the color problem when I use Aperture.

    Has anyone made some progress here? Since this has been a long term issue and not been fixed in the current release?

    cheers,
    Swen
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  • Tomas Bambuch
    Any update on this? I don't have a license for CO, but still considering buying one (so I can't open a support case) and I also have problems with D7000 profile...
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