what about .psd?
can I view PhotoShop files .PSD? đ
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still no view of PSD files, means no upgrade 0 -
Sorry we are not Adobe or the manufacturer of Photoshop.
Better option would be using a industry open standard like TIF or JPG0 -
Jeff Schewe wrote the words below about the advantages of TIFF over PSD back in August 2007.
--- Quote from: Schewe
PSD is now a bastardized file format that is NOT a good idea to use. Even the Photoshop engineers will tell you that PSD is no longer the Photoshop "native" file format. It has no advantages and many disadvantages over TIFF.
TIFF is publicly documented, PSD is not. That makes TIFF a preferred file format for the long term conservation of digital files.
TIFF uses ZIP compression for max compression, PSD uses RLE which if you save without the Max compatibility will be a bit smaller, but at the risk of not being able to be used by apps, like Lightroom.
TIFF can save EVERYTHING a PSD can save including layers, paths, channels, transparency, annotations and can go up to 4 GIGS in file size. TIFF can save all the color spaces PSD can. The ONLY thing I can think of that PSD can save that currently TIFF can't save is if you Save out of Camera Raw a cropped PSD, you can uncrop the PSD in Photoshop CS, CS2 or 3. That's one tiny obscure thing that PSD can do that TIFF currently doesn't. How many people even knew that let alone use it?
PSD used to be the preferred file format back before Adobe bastardized it for the Creative Suite. The moment that happened, PSD ceased to be a Photoshop "native" file format. PSB is the new Photoshop "native" file format for images beyond 30,000 pixels. And , at the moment, only Photoshop can open a PSB.
Getting back to the fist point, Adobe can do anything including stopping support for PSD because it's a proprietary file format. TIFF is public, even if it's owned by Adobe (by virtue of the Aldus purchase). Even if Adobe went belly up tomorrow, TIFF would continue.
And, let me be blunt, anybody who thinks PSD is "better" than TIFF is ignorant of the facts. If Adobe would let them, the Photoshop engineers would tell you to quit using PSD. Lightroom for the first beta did NOT support PSD and Hamburg fought tooth and nail to prevent having to accept PSD. He blinked, but you still can't import a PSD without Max compat enabled-which basically makes it a TIFF with a PSD extension.
Look, I'll make it REAL simple...
TIFF = Good
PSD = Bad
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[quote="Ulf" wrote:
Sorry we are not Adobe or the manufacturer of Photoshop.
Better option would be using a industry open standard like TIF or JPG
I am sorry but that makes no sense at all....
I prefer to use tiff over psd and am not a fan of adobe....but the fact is that I have had to deliver psd files for decades now....I have to do it less and less and that makes me happy, but I really don't see any reason why capture one can export as psd but can't even acknowledge that it might exist when I import large numbers of files? And I don't want to have to go through and hand pick out this and that and turn them into tiff just so capture can see them? Makes no sense at all....
Pixlmator, affinity photo can read, work with and save psd files just fine....even apples new photos can see psd files...
I has to be fixed if capture wants to be taken seriously as a DAM....and from what I can tell phase one is working really hard to be taken seriously!
Fact is that after shooting digital with (and owning) everything from just about all brands of DSLR, several phase (and leaf) backs and tons of other capture devices and having used capture one since the beginning....I have ended up with tons of different files and there are plenty of final psd files in there.....I would love to see and be able to browse and call up especially those final psd files!0 -
[quote="Ulf" wrote:
Sorry we are not Adobe or the manufacturer of Photoshop.
Better option would be using a industry open standard like TIF or JPG
Woaw that was a friendly and helpful answer.
No problems with PSD-preview with ALL other programs like Photo Mechanics, Affinity Photo, GraphicConverter, Aperture, Tonality Pro.
Good to know that Phaseone carries the scandinavian tradition from Ericsson and Nokia further, don't adept to the market and the customers.
PS. You are not Canon and Nikon either maybe support for theirs proprietary RAW-files will not work in a near future either?0 -
Simply use tiff if you want to view them in C1 Pro. 0 -
OK; I can sort of understand your not wanting to support PSD, but neither is TIFF fully supported. Capture One doesn't understand layered TIFFs (or have I missed something)? Nor does it understand TIFFs that contain Alpha channels, such as are delivered by OnOne applications (freestanding or plug-ins). I was hoping to see this sort of support in Capture One 9, but it's still lacking.
Please at least give us the ability to manage "industry standard TIFFs"...soon! This is a big thing that's keeping me from moving totally to Capture One Pro (yes, I do have a license already).0 -
[quote="Nature Isme" wrote:
Please at least give us the ability to manage "industry standard TIFFs"...soon!
I would ask the same.
C1 makes a big deal out of the new ability to "round trip" photos to an outside photo editor and then return that photo to C1 for further processing, and that was one of the things that convinced me to change to C1. So why do I have so much trouble with images from those same external editors that include alpha channels in their tiffs?
As it is now I have to make sure the alpha channel is gone and that means that all of the images I send to Topaz (through photoFXlab, Topaz's plugin interface), OnOne and AffinityPhoto must be further processed to remove any alpha channel. Not as convenient as the advertisements ...0 -
[quote="Paul Lindqvist" wrote:
Simply use tiff if you want to view them in C1 Pro.
Or Phaseone could simply add support for PSD as the rest of the industry does, or else they don't get my money. It's just pure arrogance and very bad customer experience/service from P1 to ignore PSD.
As said, TIFF isn't fully supported either. And yes I have a full paid version of C1 Pro ver.80 -
[quote="NNN635494000107548595" wrote:
[quote="Paul Lindqvist" wrote:
Simply use tiff if you want to view them in C1 Pro.
Or Phaseone could simply add support for PSD as the rest of the industry does, or else they don't get my money. It's just pure arrogance and very bad customer experience/service from P1 to ignore PSD.
As said, TIFF isn't fully supported either. And yes I have a full paid version of C1 Pro ver.8
Agreed.
But I could be OK with wide-ranging support for TIFFs of all flavors. that is supposed to be a "standard" image file format.0 -
[quote="NNN635494000107548595" wrote:
[quote="Paul Lindqvist" wrote:
Simply use tiff if you want to view them in C1 Pro.
Or Phaseone could simply add support for PSD as the rest of the industry does, or else they don't get my money. It's just pure arrogance and very bad customer experience/service from P1 to ignore PSD.
As said, TIFF isn't fully supported either. And yes I have a full paid version of C1 Pro ver.8
Or you could just get something that works for you if PSD and layered TIFF is a requirement.
They already got your money apparently....
Speaking of attitude, you might wanna check your own.0 -
[quote="MikeFromMesa" wrote:
As it is now I have to make sure the alpha channel is gone and that means that all of the images I send to Topaz (through photoFXlab, Topaz's plugin interface), OnOne ...
Firstly Topaz Labs plugin interface is Fusion Express 2 NOT photoFXlab. Fusion Express 2 works fine with Capture One pro.
Affinity Photo I don't know about but for ON1, because they persist with PSD, their TIF support is limited and as such they provide a Alpha channel even for single layer TIF's. We have been trying to get them to provide an option to save TIF files correctly but they are simply not interested.0 -
[quote="AiDon" wrote:
Affinity Photo I don't know about but for ON1, because they persist with PSD, their TIF support is limited and as such they provide a Alpha channel even for single layer TIF's. We have been trying to get them to provide an option to save TIF files correctly but they are simply not interested.
What's the big deal with CO not handling an alpha channel? That's not such an odd thing, these days. I would like CO to be more tolerant of "different" TIFF formats.0 -
[quote="AiDon" wrote:
Firstly Topaz Labs plugin interface is Fusion Express 2 NOT photoFXlab. Fusion Express 2 works fine with Capture One pro.
Topaz provides two plugin interfaces. One is Fusion Express 2 (which is free) and the other is photoFXlab (which is not free). The second provides not only the ability to use multiple plugin calls instead of the single call provided by Fusion Express 2, but also the ability to mask and further adjust. Further it allows you (theoretically) to call non-Topaz plugins through their interface. That ability works for some plugins, but not for others.
Yes. Fusion Express 2 works fine with C1, but photoFXLab does not and requires that the user remove the alpha channel before saving a tiff.0 -
we can talk about it until we are blue in the face....
as far as anyone in the photo industry is concerned both TIFF and .PSD files are industry standard and have been for decades....i and amy others have transitioned to working with and saving as TIFFs years ago....that does not mean i don't have plenty .PSD files and layered TIFFs...i know i am not alone in this...
every app coming out now supports both with little limitations...
as far as DAMs are concerned there really is only LR now that aperture is no more, so it is pretty simple, if phaseone wants to come out of the niche shadows as a serious DAM, it needs to support as many file formats as possible....and that HAS to include pretty much any kind of TIFF and PSD.....no matter how many other functions, bells and whistles and upgrades....it does not mean much if people using LR (even if they are, as many are, unhappy with it) can't just bring at least their finished files into CaptureOne to get started.....
as a professional it actually is less important to have the ability to retain adjustments or even ratings if my final edits (in TIFF or PSD) can't be brought over to start a new catalog (and life) in CaptureOne...
we are all here because we are not satisfied with the only option out now and we are willing to go through some growing pains but there needs to be a light at the end of the tunnel and the fact is that Adobe has dominated the market completely for decades and as much as i am for starting fresh, the traces of adobe's domination can't be wiped away like that.....
TIFF and PSD are both the industry standard......i really hope PhaseOne is listening....0 -
I've been talking with a number of locals about switching from LR to Capture One. The lack of support of PSD and full support of TIFF is really a sticking point that makes it hard for them to consider making a switch. These people are already using Lightroom or Apple's Photos (some former Aperture users as well), and their libraries contain these types of files. Many also use OnOne plug-ins and have the Alpha channel problem.
Now that C1 has excellent keywording features, the file support is one of the biggest remaining problems I and others have. I realize that adding support may be difficult, but it's amazing that a program that costs more than LR (both initial license and upgrades) doesn't at least support the most common photography image formats. I fear that you folks are missing out on a huge opportunity.0 -
[quote="Nature Isme" wrote:
I've been talking with a number of locals about switching from LR to Capture One. The lack of support of PSD and full support of TIFF is really a sticking point that makes it hard for them to consider making a switch. These people are already using Lightroom or Apple's Photos (some former Aperture users as well), and their libraries contain these types of files. Many also use OnOne plug-ins and have the Alpha channel problem.
Now that C1 has excellent keywording features, the file support is one of the biggest remaining problems I and others have. I realize that adding support may be difficult, but it's amazing that a program that costs more than LR (both initial license and upgrades) doesn't at least support the most common photography image formats. I fear that you folks are missing out on a huge opportunity.
Just noticed this post and good information. Have been sitting on the fence for a while between Lightroom and C1. Lack of full support for TIFF is disconcerting. Was about to make the plunge to C1 but I'll have to think through this issue. I have well over 1000 TIFF images and have been thinking about using TIFF images as the go between file format with C1 and DXO as well as OnOne. âšī¸ Otherwise, I was very impressed with the new 9.x version0 -
[quote="HantaYo" wrote:
Just noticed this post and good information. Have been sitting on the fence for a while between Lightroom and C1. Lack of full support for TIFF is disconcerting. Was about to make the plunge to C1 but I'll have to think through this issue. I have well over 1000 TIFF images and have been thinking about using TIFF images as the go between file format with C1 and DXO as well as OnOne. âšī¸ Otherwise, I was very impressed with the new 9.x version
Researching it, all most all of my TIFFs are flattened so they appear not to be an issue with C1. So biggest problem would be layers TIFFs generated in OnOne Photos, etc. Affinity Photo is not supporting them as well at this time.0 -
[quote="Paul Lindqvist" wrote:
[quote="NNN635494000107548595" wrote:
[quote="Paul Lindqvist" wrote:
Simply use tiff if you want to view them in C1 Pro.
Or Phaseone could simply add support for PSD as the rest of the industry does, or else they don't get my money. It's just pure arrogance and very bad customer experience/service from P1 to ignore PSD.
As said, TIFF isn't fully supported either. And yes I have a full paid version of C1 Pro ver.8
Or you could just get something that works for you if PSD and layered TIFF is a requirement.
They already got your money apparently....
Speaking of attitude, you might wanna check your own.
People that care have demands and make complaints, or I wouldn't waste my time writing here.
PSD and full TIFF support year 2016 for an image program isn't to ask to much. Even very small companies with limited resources manages this, so it isn't rocket science.
But maybe you have no problems with word processors that can't open and read .DOC files and spreadsheet program that can't read XLS files either?
rather an attitude then being a fanboy, keep up the good work đ0 -
[quote="NN8926321" wrote:
we can talk about it until we are blue in the face....
as far as anyone in the photo industry is concerned both TIFF and .PSD files are industry standard and have been for decades
Amen to that!0
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