CP 12.1 "All Photos" in Catalog
I tried searching about this and didn't find anything about it...
Is there a way to force the "All Photos" amount to update to the actual amount after deleting photos from a catalog?? Example: If I have a catalog with 80,000 photos in it (All Photos) and I decide that there is a folder in there with 20,000 photos that I no longer want in that catalog - when I delete the folder from CP 12, it tells me that the photos will be removed from the catalog, but will remain on the disk. I proceed, and sure enough, the folder is removed - BUT the All Photos amount still indicates that there are 80,000 photos, when it should be at 60,000 (80,000 minus 20,000) ????
Is there a way to force the "All Photos" amount to update to the actual amount after deleting photos from a catalog?? Example: If I have a catalog with 80,000 photos in it (All Photos) and I decide that there is a folder in there with 20,000 photos that I no longer want in that catalog - when I delete the folder from CP 12, it tells me that the photos will be removed from the catalog, but will remain on the disk. I proceed, and sure enough, the folder is removed - BUT the All Photos amount still indicates that there are 80,000 photos, when it should be at 60,000 (80,000 minus 20,000) ????
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I think when you restart Capture One, the "All Photos" total will be correct. Please open a bug for this. I'm hoping the noisier we are with these Windows Catalog bugs, the more they will prioritize a fix. 0 -
Nah... It doesn't update after you restart.... Today I experienced something new.... Last night I created a new catalog.... Imported 4 different image sets, (4 recent imports in the recent import area) and all was good.... Today when I opened the catalog, two of the 4 recent imports had 0 for the image count, and the corresponding folders in the folder tree were also at 0.... However, the All Photo area shows the correct number of photos, in fact, I can find the "missing" photos in the All Photo area as well - they just don't show up in the folder tree, or the corresponding recent import section.... To be clear, these are NOT "off line" images, they're all located on an internal drive and haven't been moved....
I'm VERY disappointed in myself for purchasing this software.... I don't understand how an application at version twelve... TWELVE!!! behaves like an ALPHA or BETA release.........0 -
[quote="GEvans58" wrote:
Nah... It doesn't update after you restart.... Today I experienced something new.... Last night I created a new catalog.... Imported 4 different image sets, (4 recent imports in the recent import area) and all was good.... Today when I opened the catalog, two of the 4 recent imports had 0 for the image count, and the corresponding folders in the folder tree were also at 0.... However, the All Photo area shows the correct number of photos, in fact, I can find the "missing" photos in the All Photo area as well - they just don't show up in the folder tree, or the corresponding recent import section.... To be clear, these are NOT "off line" images, they're all located on an internal drive and haven't been moved....
I'm VERY disappointed in myself for purchasing this software.... I don't understand how an application at version twelve... TWELVE!!! behaves like an ALPHA or BETA release.........
Just for clarification - do you have any filters active?0 -
No, These are "fresh" imports - haven't had a chance to edit or tag any of the photos yet. Besides, I believe filtering only shows what can be viewed. It doesn't (or shouldn't) actually affect folder and recent import counts. Maybe.... When importing, you MUST generate the previews before exiting the software for things to go smoothly? My intention was to import, exit out, and reopen in the morning and generate the previews then??? My solution was to exit, delete the catalog, and start over... 0 -
[quote="GEvans58" wrote:
No, These are "fresh" imports - haven't had a chance to edit or tag any of the photos yet. Besides, I believe filtering only shows what can be viewed. It doesn't (or shouldn't) actually affect folder and recent import counts. Maybe.... When importing, you MUST generate the previews before exiting the software for things to go smoothly? My intention was to import, exit out, and reopen in the morning and generate the previews then??? My solution was to exit, delete the catalog, and start over...
In effect the counts will only update fully when the import has completed. At that time C1 has assessed its ability to work with a file - something beyond whether or not it can be imported into a DAM.
So yes, the thumbnail and preview generation process needs to be completed as you have already worked out. In a catalogue approach - especially with referenced files - there is nothing much in the database until the previews and thumbnails have been processed fully. (Thus a user might stop the update, come back to the catalogue later, see several thousand images 'counted in' on import but few or none to display and assume the import had not worked ... )
However once that is done filters and the number of variants (additional edit versions of the same image) displayed/selectable may all contribute towards the count visible at a specific time.
Sessions are always dynamic and create the counts on open and load.
Catalogues, on the other hand, offer some capability to edit images even with the source files off-line. This utilises the Preview file thus the count, for a catalogue, can only be considered to be useful once the previews have been generated and stored in the database.
I'm sure that others can probably describe this more effectively (and possibly more accurately ) than I can.
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Mmmm... Sorta.... I duplicated the issue...
I created a new Catalog, imported a large, nested folder structure of photos (49,000).... The import completes rather quickly (4 or 5 minutes) BUT, the import, itself does NOTHING to generate the previews in and of itself. If you don't select the All Photos, or Recent Import collections, or the individual folders in the folder tree. The previews will never be created.
Anyway, I next selected the "All Photos" Collection and let it generate some of the previews - but not all, and then stopped the process and exited Capture One completely.
I let Windows do it's normal "clean up" after I exit Capture One (no idea what it's doing, maybe clearing caches, swap file stuff, etc? but there's typically a lot of hard drive activity for a couple of minutes after I exit, and then all is quiet again)
I then open Capture One, and lo and behold, this time the recent import showed only 2400 photos, and oddly enough the All Photos collection was at 0. Some folders listed photos, others were at zero. There's no option to generate the remaining previews for the missing photos, because as far as Capture One is concerned, they haven't been imported yet (even though they actually had been).
This leads me to two conclusions, three actually:- One, "importing" is not finished, even after Capture One say's it's finished. (you MUST take the extra step and generate the previews before exiting.
- Two, never import more photos at one time - than you're willing to spend waiting for the previews to be generated.
- and three, and thee most critical, it's very, VERY easy to FUBAR a catalog... (back up the catalog often!)
It's good to know this, now... But... I would have been lightyears beyond p.ssed off if had inadvertently corrupted a Catalog I had been curating for weeks, months or even years...0 -
It sounds like you are doing a load of images from a pre-existing data set.
That's not typically a regular process once you are up and running with a new application and C1 is not moving your original image files if you are using Referenced rather than managed files so I'm not sure how any previous, Pre-C1 curating activity could be lost at that point.
I'm not familiar with catalogs of such a size but with sessions if, for any reason, an import ended before all of the previews and thumbnail generation had been completed I would expect it to pick up and complete on next open.
Indeed one can delete the cache folder that contains the Previews and Thumbnails and C1 will auto regenerate when you next access the containing folder. Or you can choose to regenerate at any time for whatever reason.
Additionally both sessions and catalogues have a Verification option that can be deployed if it looks like something is not right. For example if changes have been made to thee file system outside Capture One and therefore not registered in the respective database files.
Have you tried those options and found them wanting?
If so it would certainly be a good time to create a Support Case (or update an existing one) and get the assistance of the Support Team to analyse the process you are using and the log files C1 creates as it works.
But the best answer is probably to simply let the process run to its conclusion which, considering the amount of work to do on a large collection, may indeed take some time and so is probably a task best planned for overnight activity or split into smaller batches. Running on a high capacity internal drive would probably make good sense if possible.
Grant0 -
I've tried the Verify Catalog option a few times actually - and it happily reports everything is perfect each time!! LOL!! 😄 0 -
Actually, one more thing about my work flow. When I shoot a wedding or beauty session - I may have only 200 to 1200 photos to import at a time (Weddings usually generate the higher value indicated). But when I shoot a equine / horse show event where there might be 200 riders, each competing in 8 or 9 classes or events - I can easily have an import near 10,000 photos. I'm importing one right now from last year that has 9677 photos in it - it's generating the previews right now. It's almost 20% complete and still has just under an 1 hour and 30 minutes to go. So without knowing what I now know about Catalogs in C1, I could have very easily sometime in the near or distant future, FUBAR'ed this Catalog. 0 -
[quote="GEvans58" wrote:
Actually, one more thing about my work flow. When I shoot a wedding or beauty session - I may have only 200 to 1200 photos to import at a time (Weddings usually generate the higher value indicated). But when I shoot a equine / horse show event where there might be 200 riders, each competing in 8 or 9 classes or events - I can easily have an import near 10,000 photos. I'm importing one right now from last year that has 9677 photos in it - it's generating the previews right now. It's almost 20% complete and still has just under an 1 hour and 30 minutes to go. So without knowing what I now know about Catalogs in C1, I could have very easily sometime in the near or distant future, FUBAR'ed this Catalog.
I often import several thousand images into Sessions. In batches according to memory card size. Potentially about 2000 images per card.
My notebook is about 6 years old. I use the built in SD card reader or an external USB3 reader for CF cards. 2k images probably take around 30 mins to import with minimal preset application on import but file renaming applied. Say 40mins tops for import and preview/thumbnail generation in most cases. C1 is still usable whilst importing although there may be some slow down depending on what else one is doing.
I'm not sure how you would have FUBAR'ed the catalogue or at least the potential to recreate it. You might have curtailed the creation and so require a resumption to update and complete. If verify says it is OK that seems to mean that what the catalogue database thinks it has checks out OK.
If you have Managed files within the catalogue but they have no preview/thumbnail then C1 can regenerate the previews.
It''e the same with Sessions - if you have folder in the session folder structure OR external (i.e. referenced files) but in "favourite" folders (i.e. folders known to the Session database file) then C1 can simply regenerate or resume (automatically) if the need arises after some sort of import process (or just folder read process since importing is not a requirement for a session) and complete the task.
If, however, one has simply opened a folder in a session and not imported the file or made it a "favourite" folder then the session DB will not know about it when re-opened - which sound much like the situation you may have with your catalogue.
Certainly inconvenient if you are unaware of the full set of steps in the process but not necessarily the end of the catalogue nor a waste of the effort put in to getting it the the stage it had reached.
BTW, based on what you have described about your typical shooting activity I would strongly recommend that you investigate the Session option (assuming you are using a Pro version of C1). Work achieved in a session can easily be loaded to a catalogue at a later point. Working with just a few hundred or few thousand images in a session is likely to prove to be a more agile and satisfying experience I think. C1 has had a Sessions concept since several versions before the catalogue concept was introduced.
HTH.
Grant0
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