RAW Conversion compatibility
Are Phase One RAW files compatible with Adobe Bridge, Lightroom and Adobe DNG coversion software?
The reality is that most of us are using both Capture One and Photoshop in our workflows. It is extremely frustrating to not have access to Adobe software for RAW conversion. Adobe does not list any Phase One products on their camera compatibility page-
Phase, say it aint so!
The reality is that most of us are using both Capture One and Photoshop in our workflows. It is extremely frustrating to not have access to Adobe software for RAW conversion. Adobe does not list any Phase One products on their camera compatibility page-
Phase, say it aint so!
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If shooting thetered, you can tell C1Pro to save the files using RAW v3 format but if you shot on a card using a Phase DB the files will be saved as IIQ Raw... C1Pro is the only software able to understand IIQ Raw files 0 -
Can any other software read Phase files saved as RAW v3? 0 -
In theory yes (I have not tested it) Any RAW v3 compatible software should be able to process them. 0 -
[quote="peterwalker7" wrote:
Are Phase One RAW files compatible with Adobe Bridge, Lightroom and Adobe DNG coversion software?
The reality is that most of us are using both Capture One and Photoshop in our workflows. It is extremely frustrating to not have access to Adobe software for RAW conversion. Adobe does not list any Phase One products on their camera compatibility page-
Phase, say it aint so!
I am using a P45 and the new ACR 3.5 and DNG both work with the raw TIFF files with no problem.0 -
mark, just downloaded DNG and ACR 3.5..but they only open the preview of the raw file...unless i am doing something wrong...also as usual phase raw files are not listed as supported....
to make sure what we are talking about: the raw files shot with the P series backs..not the generic raw format when shooting tethered...0 -
[quote="pschefz" wrote:
mark, just downloaded DNG and ACR 3.5..but they only open the preview of the raw file...unless i am doing something wrong...also as usual phase raw files are not listed as supported....
to make sure what we are talking about: the raw files shot with the P series backs..not the generic raw format when shooting tethered...
I first opened the files from the Capture folder and they were 225mb when opened via Bridge/ACR into Photoshop CS2 v9.0.2. I can also shoot to the CF card and open the filesf from the CF card in Bridge or CS2 directly using ACR 3.5 without using C1Pro in any step. In ACR 3.5 it will say that the size of the RAW file is 39.3mb or so before being processed. Just tried it to confirm, and they open fine.
Good luck
Mark0 -
tried again...in bridge the files (in the C1 capture folder) show up as .TIF, in the metadata field the size/depth shows the preview (512x512/8bit), the size is the full size 19.mb ( from the P20)....when i go to View, the "Show CameraRaw files option" is greyed out...am i missing something?
i actually couldn't care less about CR..i am more interested in opening the files in Lightroom/Aperture for a better workflow...0 -
[quote="pschefz" wrote:
tried again...in bridge the files (in the C1 capture folder) show up as .TIF, in the metadata field the size/depth shows the preview (512x512/8bit), the size is the full size 19.mb ( from the P20)....when i go to View, the "Show CameraRaw files option" is greyed out...am i missing something?
i actually couldn't care less about CR..i am more interested in opening the files in Lightroom/Aperture for a better workflow...
I don't know what the issue is for you, Paul. I just used Lightroom b4, used the "import" command to find a C1 captures folder and chose an image (I chose Render Standard Previews" in the Import Photos dialogue box). It opened just fine in Lightroom b4 as a 7240x5433 TIFF file (albeit 8 bit), made corrections in Lightroom and then from Lightroom opened it in PSCS2 (where it opened with the changes in full size).
I've had no problem with ACR 3.5, Bridge or Lightroom b4 opening full-sized TIFFs from either a P25 or P45.
I'm using a Mac G5 DP 2.7 and OSX 10.4.4
Good luck. 😊0 -
mark are you importing raw files shot with the Cf card? meaning the IIQ raw files? i have tried several shots, i always shoot IIQ rawL...i am taking exactly the same steps as you in LRb4...only the previews show...
i cannot imagine that LR can read files from the P25 but not from the P20....0 -
[quote="pschefz" wrote:
mark are you importing raw files shot with the Cf card? meaning the IIQ raw files? i have tried several shots, i always shoot IIQ rawL...i am taking exactly the same steps as you in LRb4...only the previews show...
i cannot imagine that LR can read files from the P25 but not from the P20....
No problem, whether from the CF card directly or a C1 Captures folder. Tethered files on the computer work fine also.
BUT ...
I discovered this:
If you use 'Import' from Lightroom b4 directly from the CF card you get the small preview TIFFs you are talking about.
INSTEAD you want to open the CF card folders to the one that shows the listing of the individual image files, select 'ALL' then drop them onto the closed Lightroom icon on your dock. Every time I did that they all opened showing the large raw file size.
Good luck,
Mark Tuttle0 -
thanks for your help mark, it seems that the P20 files cannot be read...i went on hte adobe forum and someone there has similar experiences....and they were able to open P30 files in LR...frustrating...i am just not sure what the point is...why keep these formats a secret? 0 -
For the Record... Phase One Digital Back RAW image files are open and available to be supported in other programs.
Cheers,
k c0 -
then why are the phase files the ONLY files not supported by all the ususal software? i just read that it was just announced at photokina that phase now opened up their files for use in aperture and LR..and this was news...so how can you say they are open? 0 -
pschefz,
That would be a good question for the Usuals. 😕
In the same manner as we support DSLR RAWs from Canon, Nikon, Fuji etc
Phase One Digital Back RAWs have always been available to others to implement.
The announcement at Photokina regarding 4.0 is at web site:
http://www.phaseone.com/upload/press_ph ... 260906.pdf
Sincerely,
k c0 -
keith...with all respect and i really don't know anything about the technical aspect of all this..but:
CR, LR, aperture (no MF backs), even lightzone all support pretty much everything thrown at them with different results, but not phase files...
i have leaf files, sinar files, canon files, nikon files on my harddrive and they pretty much all open in every software i try...and not a single one opens the phase files...for years i have heard on these boards that the phase files are open and available...if they are why will no programmer support them in their software? it does not make any sense at all! for a small program like Lightzone it makes sense that they can work with any format out there to not leave anyone out...they open all files except for phase...
also: in the press release it says:
phase one realizes the need for deeper integration between capture 4 and other workflows.....
i think that sounds exactly like what i am talking about....
and again: i don't understand the technical reasons, i am sure there are many and it is not easy to make everything compatible....
it is also not about the perfect quality of the final image...it is about having a workflow that shows me detailed files, lets me edit, output contacts/webgalleries ...and after all that i am happy to go back into C1 to process the final choices for best quality....i honestly don't think C1 can keep up with apple or adobe and their abilities to make editing/distribution software...and there is no need for that...just make it so i can set my capture folder in aperture/LR as target folder and all my files pop up in there....i guess/hope C1 4 will do that?
i would be more then happy to work with a beta and try and help iron out the problems, i have done it with phase before and i have done it with leaf0 -
Paul,
I had run all of my tests on a G5 DP desktop.
I just updated my G4 15" Powerbook and guess what? The RAW TIFFs don't work. All I get is an image of pink and orange horizontal lines both in Bridge 1.04 and the ACR 3.5 window. It even changes the P25 TIFF previews saved from a previous session from correct to the same confetti look.
Still works fine on the G5, and all of the software versions are the same.
The only difference is the computer.
Good Luck0 -
mark...thanks for sharing your very strange findings....i am on a macbook pro...i don't understand at all why this could be processor dependent? does not make any sense...i have actually given up, there will be some new developments in the near future anyway...with C1 4 coming out and phase finally opening up to adobe and apple, in a couple of months the integration will hopefully easy and not a crap shoot....until then i will trust what i know works...good luck and thanks for your help paul 0 -
I came across it and thought of your problem.
Unfortunately now I am just confused as I view some fresh P45 shots on the CF card in Bridge on the Powerbook and they work fine. Downloaded them and they work fine. Have opened them in C1 Pro and ACR 3.5 and they work fine.
However the previous shots on the Powerbook from the P25 session are still buggered in Bridge and only appear correctly in C1 Pro. No matter what I do.
Time for some wine.
Mark0 -
cheers! 0
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