Syncing between Media Pro and C1 - workflow
Hello,
as I am new to Media Pro and C1 I have a question regarding workflow between Media Pro and C1. I think I read most of the tutorials and also watched the videos, but I still do not seem to get one point- especially concerning ratings.
A workflow I am used to (LR) ist to rate new images I think a worth considering some tweaking and further processing. When I am OK with the result I change the rating (e.g from 1 star up to 3 stars...).
So I would go and do the initial rating in Media Pro (fast, made for viewing and sorting). I would take these images to C1 and work on them and "upgrade" the rating.
But I just seem to get that working, as Media Pro either reads or writes rating. I just can't get the settings to work as described above.
Where is the "fault" in my workflow/ settings/ thinking ?
I would really appreciate an answer as I sort of get frustrated even considering the SUBERB image quality I get out of C1.
Thanks a lot in advance.
as I am new to Media Pro and C1 I have a question regarding workflow between Media Pro and C1. I think I read most of the tutorials and also watched the videos, but I still do not seem to get one point- especially concerning ratings.
A workflow I am used to (LR) ist to rate new images I think a worth considering some tweaking and further processing. When I am OK with the result I change the rating (e.g from 1 star up to 3 stars...).
So I would go and do the initial rating in Media Pro (fast, made for viewing and sorting). I would take these images to C1 and work on them and "upgrade" the rating.
But I just seem to get that working, as Media Pro either reads or writes rating. I just can't get the settings to work as described above.
Where is the "fault" in my workflow/ settings/ thinking ?
I would really appreciate an answer as I sort of get frustrated even considering the SUBERB image quality I get out of C1.
Thanks a lot in advance.
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I gave up using MP and C1 together, because MP cannot be the master with this silly need for manual reading and writing. Currently C1 is able to update silently in background and MP not. It should be exactly opposite. Due to this I use other more advanced DAMs together with C1 and I am very happy. I still use MP, but only as DAM for my media file collection and not as DAM for digital camera images. 0 -
Thanks for the reply. That is what I have been "fearing"; as I really like the C1 rendering integration.
Are there any other opinions, comments e.g. from Phase One? If this problem/ workflow can not be went around I too will have to go over to another DAM.
Or can anyone describe a reasonable workflow? Or maybe explain why Media Pro works the way it does?0 -
Hi,
I'm not sure if I understood you correctly.
The workflow is: Sort, give Stars in Media Pro. Then you can open the Images in Capture One.
Here you can change your stars in Capture One. After you back in Media Pro, you must select the changed images and then: "Actions/ Annotations Synchronize".
Its always a manual step because Media Pro "think" the actually state is Media Pro Database not the image.
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[quote="RobiWan" wrote:
...its always a manual step because Media Pro "think" the actually state is Media Pro Database not the image
Robert, that is correct. But you have to remember exact which images you modified and select them in MP. Otherwise you have to select ALL your thousands (!) of image files. A good DAM does allow also automatic/configurable detection of modified, added, deleted, ... images. This missing feature is one major drawback for efficiency in workflow with MP. If I remember well, also the speed of such updates together with freezing or lack of background processing are some issues with MP.
Another point is the very weak rendering engine P1 versus WIC. MediaPro cannot be used with P1-engine, because most previews are not supported. In additon the speed and stability is heavily affected by C1-engine. With WIC this is much better, faster and stable, but the MP/C1 workflow is affected, because C1 does us C1-engine. E.g. previews of edited images are no longer updated in MP.0 -
@PhaseZero Due to this I use other more advanced DAMs
What DAM's are you using?
Yesterday idImager was 'killed', so that's no alternative anymore...
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[quote="PhaseZero" wrote:
... But you have to remember exact which images you modified and select them in MP. Otherwise you have to select ALL your thousands (!) of image files. ...
Well, that seems rather silly to me. If you would study your workflow for this, i'd bet you first select the images you want to send to C1. Either by selecting them manually, one by one, or, better yet, by your 1-star and some other selection (i use catalog sets to limit the number of images i'm looking at at the same time). Then you choose open in C1. Then in C1 you do you business, like updating the star rating.
Then you switch back to MP, assuming you haven't shut it down in the mean time or made other selections (you were going to work on the images in C1, right?), MP still has your images selected and it's as easy as choosing 'Actions - Sync Annotations'.
No need to update your whole database, but you do need to streamline your workflow for this.0 -
[quote="PhaseZero" wrote:
A good DAM does allow also automatic/configurable detection of modified, added, deleted, ... images.
Do you have an example which DAM does that?
Robert0 -
[quote="HCS" wrote:
[quote="PhaseZero" wrote:
... But you have to remember exact which images you modified and select them in MP. Otherwise you have to select ALL your thousands (!) of image files. ...
Well, that seems rather silly to me. If you would study your workflow for this, i'd bet you first select the images you want to send to C1. Either by selecting them manually, one by one, or, better yet, by your 1-star and some other selection (i use catalog sets to limit the number of images i'm looking at at the same time). Then you choose open in C1. Then in C1 you do you business, like updating the star rating.
Then you switch back to MP, assuming you haven't shut it down in the mean time or made other selections (you were going to work on the images in C1, right?), MP still has your images selected and it's as easy as choosing 'Actions - Sync Annotations'.
No need to update your whole database, but you do need to streamline your workflow for this.
This is basically what I do. And it works quite well.
My only issue is that I don't always remember to sync again.
However, since I use a folder based filing system (eg subject-name.date) and sub folders like web and print, I'll often select the top level folder and ask CO to send it back again to MP. That seems to work pretty well for me. I still have to sync the orig raw, however.0 -
[quote="rmoorlag" wrote:
[quote="PhaseZero" wrote:
Due to this I use other more advanced DAMs
What DAM's are you using? Yesterday idImager was 'killed', so that's no alternative anymore...
Yes, I am also affected by sudden IDI death. I am currently investigating IMatch v3, which does look quite advanced and on a similar level than IDI. The announcements about v5 with stacking and versioning look even more promising. Imatch v5 is currently in internal beta phase and public beta phase will start soon.
Regarding some syncing limitations with MediaPro my previous postings did include perhaps some wrong interpretations. Nevertheless MediaPro had (just for me!) some XMP sync limitations, which IDI did not show. E.g. the lack of XMP sidecar support for JPG files. Also some mentioned workarounds for syncing in the above reply postings look just a little bit cumbersome for me.0
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