Frustration Summary - please post what you really miss still
So many things are really messed up now that we have to use 4,6 with a lot cameras..
I am really frustrated with the software now - and the way nothing seems to be changed. Even so the majority is not happy with it.
Yes - of course - images develop faster but so what - the speed was never what did make me upset.
Here just a few things that are really messed up now. Bring us back a professional version - for professionells.
- Shortcust to imageadjustments (Exposures/Desaturation/Contrast)
- Session Management ( a real one - not that what we have now please.. like it was before in 3.x. I mean why do you change a perfect system??)
- Curve/Level Adjustment in seperate Chanels - not just RGB
- Better focus tool - like it was before in 3.x pro
- Is there really no Coloreditor more to edit profiles?????
- 24/7 Crashes .. that need to be fixed for real!!!!
There are many many more minor things and some major.. but that where all the real important things that came into my mind right now..
Things that help to work fast and accurate.
Thank you.
I am really frustrated with the software now - and the way nothing seems to be changed. Even so the majority is not happy with it.
Yes - of course - images develop faster but so what - the speed was never what did make me upset.
Here just a few things that are really messed up now. Bring us back a professional version - for professionells.
- Shortcust to imageadjustments (Exposures/Desaturation/Contrast)
- Session Management ( a real one - not that what we have now please.. like it was before in 3.x. I mean why do you change a perfect system??)
- Curve/Level Adjustment in seperate Chanels - not just RGB
- Better focus tool - like it was before in 3.x pro
- Is there really no Coloreditor more to edit profiles?????
- 24/7 Crashes .. that need to be fixed for real!!!!
There are many many more minor things and some major.. but that where all the real important things that came into my mind right now..
Things that help to work fast and accurate.
Thank you.
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[quote="NN" wrote:
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Even so the majority is not happy with it.
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- 24/7 Crashes .. that need to be fixed for real!!!!
You are fully entitled to be unhappy or frustrated, even with software but bear in mind you do not talk to Phase One here but to your fellow users. I believe you can't justify a statement regarding a 'majority'. You don't need that; your opinion is valid in itself. However, I have seen quite some postings here and I can assure you that when you have 24/7 crashes you need to fix your system. I had a few crashes since CO4's release over a year ago (including beta) and 4.6 is by far the most stable release in CO4's history, a statement backed up by even the most critical users here. That said, even Phase One acknowledges here that it is work in progress and progress is made thanks to user input. But you can't determine their agenda and speed of progress.
Regarding feature requests, any request is valid from a user's point of view. So knock yourself out but be aware there are plenty of very well documented threads already, so why not get it from there. I think most of the topics you mention are already on the to-do list.
Tip for users: do not regard a discussion here on features as a support call or formal feature request. For that to happen, you have to open a support case with Phase One. Otherwise you could get really frustrated for the wrong reason.0 -
As many users I was really frustrated with C1 4. Then I learned how to use it. It is different from 3.7 and you have to adjust the way you worked in many details. Some details will get you mad and you will love others, depending on what you personally expect from the soft.
The most important is that there is almost always a way to do what you did on 3.7.
And I agree with Paul, this seems to be the most stable version from the begining.
It crashes all the time on one of my computer and never on the other. (they are exactly the same kind) I guess the system is the cause and I have to find which part isn't working.0 -
I 'd love to see
1) an option somewhere in settings to keep all those .COP/.COS files in one place (one directory) instead of subdirectories... an option means that users will be able to make a decision what is better for them... there are valid arguments for both approaches...
2) ability to work with a raw file just by invoking C1 w/ the file name as a parameter in a command line...
3) ability to select several files and run "Chromatic Aberration" for each of them w/o going through each individual file as I have to now.
4) in color editor - to be able to make adjustments to selected color by grabbing values from the different area in the same image or even from another (2nd image) using some mouse pointer, not only by using H/S/L sliders.
5) ability to select demosaicing algorithm most suitable for the specific image... C1 may be does that behind the scenes for us - but I love the approach when I can select one myself if I want to (like in free converters as rawtherapee).
just my $0.020 -
[quote="Paul_E" wrote:
[quote="NN" wrote:
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Even so the majority is not happy with it.
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- 24/7 Crashes .. that need to be fixed for real!!!!
You are fully entitled to be unhappy or frustrated, even with software but bear in mind you do not talk to Phase One here but to your fellow users. I believe you can't justify a statement regarding a 'majority'. You don't need that; your opinion is valid in itself. However, I have seen quite some postings here and I can assure you that when you have 24/7 crashes you need to fix your system. I had a few crashes since CO4's release over a year ago (including beta) and 4.6 is by far the most stable release in CO4's history, a statement backed up by even the most critical users here. That said, even Phase One acknowledges here that it is work in progress and progress is made thanks to user input. But you can't determine their agenda and speed of progress.
Regarding feature requests, any request is valid from a user's point of view. So knock yourself out but be aware there are plenty of very well documented threads already, so why not get it from there. I think most of the topics you mention are already on the to-do list.
Tip for users: do not regard a discussion here on features as a support call or formal feature request. For that to happen, you have to open a support case with Phase One. Otherwise you could get really frustrated for the wrong reason.
Dear Paul - i dont want to argue with you - but i was on your website and we work really in two different worlds of photography - without any judging (dont get me wrong on that statement!!!).
I speak for all those i know who work mainly in advertising and fashion section of photography as it is my surrounding and i know not even one and believe me i know quite a few, that are completly happy with the new software but where with the old one..
I am aware that this is a user to user forum - no need to tell me. I work on several computers and all are up to date and state of the art in latest mac technology and latest software updates. It might now be the most stable c14 pro version.. but it still crashes to often. As you said.. CO4 is out now a year.. and still it is not fixed and done completly.. that is to long.
You know that the developers read this forums.. and the only way to tell them to fix issues over and over on many ways is a way to finally change things.0 -
Hi Almost Digital,
Thanks for your reply and understanding. I fully understand that I am working in a less stressful photographic environment than many pro photographers here and that demands are equally different. Fortunately we use this forum for the same purpose of sharing experience and provide feedback to the manufacturer.0 -
Unless I'm still missing something IPTC templates PLEASE like we used to have in 3.9
A picture is nothing without a caption.0 -
[quote="Edward" wrote:
Unless I'm still missing something IPTC templates PLEASE like we used to have in 3.9
A picture is nothing without a caption.
Good point - i never had to use it - but it as probably as important to you than those tings i was naming to me.
All surly work in a different way aswell as you can do it in an other programm or i can adjust finetuning in photoshop - but why did they take all that jazz from us and dont give it back within a year?? I mean.. it took a long time for 4.x to come out - so i dont know why it is still only a basic version.
While for you caption is important - it is capturing for me and the fastes way to get to the results i am looking for. Right now capture one seems to me switchted to a developing program - but in here it still took things like the profile editor (or i am just blind?), or curveadjustments in the differnt rgb channels away.0 -
hi all, just a quickie.......heres one thing i miss,
i would ike to be able to adjust siders ( ie. Brightness, contrast, Exposure to name a few) using the keyboard arrows ala previous version 3.7 C1 Pro and Photoshop. I find it more accurate and saves time & patience. Apart from that im well happy with the software. 😄0 -
I would love to be able to import my old C1 v3 session files into v4. This would be really really amazing. 0 -
Hi,
I know I just mentioned this in another thread but I would love to see the ability to manually set camera orientation returned to CO4.
Brion0 -
[quote="Belinda" wrote:
hi all, just a quickie.......heres one thing i miss,
i would ike to be able to adjust siders ( ie. Brightness, contrast, Exposure to name a few) using the keyboard arrows ala previous version 3.7 C1 Pro and Photoshop. I find it more accurate and saves time & patience. Apart from that im well happy with the software. 😄
I did shoot on an event yesterday and i really miss that feature.
I had to manually correct all settings with my mouse wich took about 5 times as long as it would have been over the shortcuts like (command/apple) + (alt) + (+/-)
What is so difficult on coding that phase 1??? This software was announced over 1,5 years and is released over half a year by know..
Do something- frustration level is getting pretty high by know. 4.6.1 is crashing even more often than 4.6 .. which is no longer downloadable no more.
And why is 4.x not running on OS 10.4 ?? I mean - to say it in a more friendly way than a friend was getting about that problem: are you nuts phase one? Not even adobe would do such a thing.. but they do at least throw out stable and good working and IMPROVED followers.0 -
In addition, a feature that went downhill in C1Pro4 compared to v3 are the little gears in your thumbnail that indicated processing and processed images. The bright yellow and bright green that were clearly visible in v3 are now dark gray and all too often are virtually impossible to see.
A second to the individual channel curves adjustments and another request for the old focus tool.0 -
Thanks you NN!
You say everything i would have liked to say, but my english is to bad.
I would be happy to have a version 3.x supporting my new 5DII cameras.
I replaced a 1DSII with the new 5D. So suddenly i saved money (don't need an new 1DsIII) and I would be able to get a phaseone-back (I've been dreaming of this for a long time). But: Not with this software.
Hoping C1pro will be back in better conditions soon
Wilfried Adam
www.publick.de0 -
Overall progress time and estimated time on pictures that are developing.
Numer of pictures in developing cue..
Like always - should be there in first place when the software came out. Or is it hidden again like other features?0 -
[quote="NN" wrote:
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Numer of pictures in developing cue..
There is a counter counting down besides each entry in the batch queue in the format x/y where x is the queue position and y the total number in the queue.0 -
[quote="Paul_E" wrote:
[quote="NN" wrote:
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Numer of pictures in developing cue..
There is a counter counting down besides each entry in the batch queue in the format x/y where x is the queue position and y the total number in the queue.
Estimated time would still be nice ..
I dont know why they changed really every single bit..0 -
People have been making these feature requests for so long they get worn out from the obligation to repeat themselves. Among the many features that I've already requested along the lines of a convergence in functionality with the way v 3.7.9 Pro worked would be the proper functioning of the file browser when in 'auto' mode. When you begin to work on an image in a folder and wish to compare it with an adjacent image, summoning the file browser shows that it has reverted to the initial image of the folder (arranged in numerical order), so that you have to work your way down to where your current image is located. This glitch has remained and it is a constant annoyance - again it occurs when the file browser is in auto mode. 0 -
It would be nice if the way you sort pictures could be saved.. it is annoying to click through the menue each time you sort by for example ranking..
Again.. just keep it like it was in C1pro3 - like everything else that was good.0 -
Hi,
I share some of the same frustrations, and if my Capture 1 3.xx would work with my Canon 5DII I would not see the need to upgrade. I am in advertising and my biggest frustration is not being able to shoot thedered, The ability of shooting therdered and how well it works in C1is the reason I dot play with other software.
I would like to ad one new suggestion, it seams like the Graphic designer that created the new look for C1 was working indoors and with a very large monitor...the dark design makes it difficult to see on a laptop out doors and the small type forces me to leave the camera and get closer to the laptop...before I could read the screen details from far away and I had to do was to extend my arm far to each the kneeboard or mouse. As an example, the gear that showed up on a thumbnail was big and maybe not as cute, but you could see under difficult circumstances.
I would love not to need to try other software, till now yours was the best capture software.
Thanks for all your work
Tomas0 -
Here are some of mine. Sorry to repeat others but they are big omissions. As a digital tech in NY I need these things to work, as it is everyone I know in the business is avoiding the new version as long as possible.
-if I try to rename a selected group of captures using batch rename, I cannot get it to give me a 3 digit counter. One one computer it gave me 2 digits and 1 on another. In the next capture naming tab I have 3 digits set. This is after trashing prefs too.
-Why is the app preferences so watered down compared to 3.7.9?
-Why can't we double click on the exposure over/under alarm to bring up the prefs window?
-Same with the crop drop down menu and rotate tools, the rotate window was really really useful. That was better than having a floating window up all the time like in 4.6
-Maybe the most inconvenient change is not being able to adjust exposure and contrast using the keyboard.
-I think Leaf's loupe tool is very useful especially compared to the focus window change in C1Pro.
-Curves need to have access to all three RGB channels.
-If I select images, in 3.7 you could right click to get the contextual menu and then choose sorting options. Now you have to go up to the menu bar, definitely not so convenient when you are working fast.
The way it is now I'd rather capture in Lightroom for Canon and process in capture one later. I find that Leaf's software is slowly progressing as a basic capture program. I'd rather recommend Phase One to my clients but I am not feeling so good about the software right now. Its the little details that count - not how fast you can process a file.0 -
For the most part, my experience with C1 v4.6.x has been OK. Stability hasn't been a problem. However, the single largest, very painful point has been the lack of keyboard shortcuts to adjust exposure, etc.
I work for a retailer where we shoot lots of product. Time is always short and lack of quick adjustments in v4.x has been a deal killer. I will not roll out this software to replace v3.7.9 until this feature is fixed.
Lack of real IPTC support is ridiculous in 2009. No keywords means I have to enter them separately in our DAM software. If I process a RGB, I have to again enter this info. If another member of our department processes a RGB, then hopefully they remember to correctly enter the metadata to keep it consistent with the raw.
I'd pay for the v4.x upgrade if it at least offered the fundamental features of v3.7.9 and built upon that. A free "hobbled" version is not of much use. Sadly, this has lead to our purchase of a competitors back last month rather than a 3rd Phase One back. It was not a route I wanted to go, but one has to look at what is available today rather than hope that promises come true one day.
Darren Bernaerdt
Senior Photographer, London Drugs Ltd.0 -
i work as digital tech and i can't use c 1 4 for various reasons:
no rgb curve in separate channels
no efficient focus tool
"sort by" tool too complicate to manage
graphic design impossible to manage, especially on location: is too little
please give us back all the version 3 tools that we still miss; explain us why you abandoned a software that was simply the best??!!0 -
Ugh! I just got back from a cross-country driving trip and uploaded images from multiple CF cards. No problem putting them in chronological order, but the batch rename won't let me start the count at "001". Instead it starts at a randomly generated number in the 4000's. This shouldn't be that way - please fix! 0 -
[quote="Rob511" wrote:
Ugh! I just got back from a cross-country driving trip and uploaded images from multiple CF cards. No problem putting them in chronological order, but the batch rename won't let me start the count at "001". Instead it starts at a randomly generated number in the 4000's. This shouldn't be that way - please fix!
So you open a one year old thread related to CO4, do a first post, shout to your fellow users to fix your problem without telling which version you run. Based on your description I do not exclude the possibility that it is not the program at fault...
Hey Rob511, welcome to the forum. I suggest you create a new thread and specify your setup (version numbers etc.) and remember you ask your fellow users for help, provided voluntarily. Thank you.0 -
Since everything in this thread (or pretty darn close) is solved I will close and lock this thread. 0
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