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Auto mask brush cannot be used with this image format

NN634752050690879867UL
Is anyone getting this error message when trying to use the Auto mask feature with the local adjustments brush? This works great in Lightroom and I really miss it!

Thanks!

Capture One 7.0.2 64 Bit - Windows
build 65074
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    [quote="NN634752050690879867UL" wrote:
    Is anyone getting this error message when trying to use the Auto mask feature with the local adjustments brush? This works great in Lightroom and I really miss it!

    Thanks!

    Capture One 7.0.2 64 Bit - Windows
    build 65074

    Not yet, but maybe you like to share about your image format?!
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  • NN634752050690879867UL
    Oopsie! Image format is X-Trans RAW from Fujifilm X-E1. I also get this error when trying to process X-Trans JPG.

    Thanks!
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Similar experience on Mac with Fuji X-Pro1 raw file.

    http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h366/Paul_S57/CO702Mac-XPro1_zpsc4825758.png

    Don't know whether this is due to the X-Trans file type of the Fuji, or preliminary support or other reason.
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  • NNN635009287539797261
    http://s14.postimg.org/935xzkrgh/error.jpg

    get exactly same error, so I can not use auto mask at all, which renders otherwise excellent software useless.... ☹️

    I have tried to import tiffs and jpgs from internet, so it cant be camera specific.
    Raw files (RAF) from my camera, Fuji X-E1 cant be used with this feature too.

    System used is windows 7 pro 64bit, and Capture One software built is 65074, Trial.

    Hopefully this bug will be patched, as no auto-mas is a big turn off....
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  • NNN635009287539797261
    same error after reinstalling and updating software to the most current 66932 build.
    DNG files from Canon work with auto-mask. Fuji RAFs even after conversion to DNG using adobe tool, still do not work with auto-mask at all.
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  • SFA
    Is this just the Auto Mask feature or regular masking too?

    If it is just auto masking then one might consider it an inconvenience but hardly a show stopper - unless for some reasons one always needs a lot of edge masking.

    Given that there is a specific message (or so it seems from the posts) it would appear that this is more of a design limitation (likely to be for technical reasons) rather than a "bug".

    I would imagine that a resolution will be forthcoming at some point once the technical issues have been circumvented.

    Must be a real pain for developers to be forced by possible but not guaranteed commercial considerations to have to invent new wheels. I'm sure some may appreciate tghe challenge that presents but having to work on it in timescales set by others rather than as the solution evolves is probably frustrating. One can only hope that a huge number of people buy the technology and do more than shoot jpg and accept what the camera gives them.

    And that they also buy Capture One to make the development effort worthwhile.

    It always puzzles me that the camera manufacturers seem to be so out of touch with the needs of their costomers that they don't contract someone to write the perfect software for their devices to accompany the release.Still, I guess they think they do supply the best. How out of touch can they be?



    Grant Perkins
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    It is only the auto mask that might not be available (or become available later) for certain (newly supported) file formats.
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    [quote="NNN635009287539797261" wrote:
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    I have tried to import tiffs and jpgs from internet, so it cant be camera specific.
    Raw files (RAF) from my camera, Fuji X-E1 cant be used with this feature too....

    Hopefully this bug will be patched, as no auto-mas is a big turn off....

    It is camera specific, hence not a bug in the program but a certain feature missing for specific camera formats.
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  • Christian Gruner
    [quote="NNN635009287539797261" wrote:
    same error after reinstalling and updating software to the most current 66932 build.
    DNG files from Canon work with auto-mask. Fuji RAFs even after conversion to DNG using adobe tool, still do not work with auto-mask at all.


    As the dialog states, the auto-mask functionality is not operative on x-trans files. X-trans support is still preliminary, which why the full set of features are not yet incorporated.
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  • NNN635009287539797261
    [quote="Christian Gr" wrote:
    As the dialog states, the auto-mask functionality is not operative on x-trans files. X-trans support is still preliminary, which why the full set of features are not yet incorporated.


    Well, I think it should be clearly stated on a list of supported cameras, that Fuji X-E1 and X-Pro is NOT yet supported.
    It is very misleading when you can see your camera model on the list of supported cameras and then discover that this simply doesn't work.
    It's a shame, as the software is great, but unfortunately it is not fully working, so until its full functionality and support is included, I will have to look elsewhere for RAW processing software, as I don't see it reasonable to buy few different software suites for the same task.
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  • Christian Gruner
    [quote="NNN635009287539797261" wrote:
    [quote="Christian Gr" wrote:
    As the dialog states, the auto-mask functionality is not operative on x-trans files. X-trans support is still preliminary, which why the full set of features are not yet incorporated.


    Well, I think it should be clearly stated on a list of supported cameras, that Fuji X-E1 and X-Pro is NOT yet supported.
    It is very misleading when you can see your camera model on the list of supported cameras and then discover that this simply doesn't work.
    It's a shame, as the software is great, but unfortunately it is not fully working, so until its full functionality and support is included, I will have to look elsewhere for RAW processing software, as I don't see it reasonable to buy few different software suites for the same task.


    They are supported, but preliminary. This is clearly stated in the Release Notes found under Documentation: http://www.phaseone.com/en/Downloads/Ca ... Pro-7.aspx

    The the x-trans files are working well, but a very few number of features are not implemented yet. Also, we are still tweaking the pipeline for x-trans, so it will continue to be improved.
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  • SFA
    [quote="NNN635009287539797261" wrote:
    [quote="Christian Gr" wrote:
    As the dialog states, the auto-mask functionality is not operative on x-trans files. X-trans support is still preliminary, which why the full set of features are not yet incorporated.


    Well, I think it should be clearly stated on a list of supported cameras, that Fuji X-E1 and X-Pro is NOT yet supported.
    It is very misleading when you can see your camera model on the list of supported cameras and then discover that this simply doesn't work.
    It's a shame, as the software is great, but unfortunately it is not fully working, so until its full functionality and support is included, I will have to look elsewhere for RAW processing software, as I don't see it reasonable to buy few different software suites for the same task.



    So, let me understand this criticism.

    One (new to C1) feature of a masking system - an aid to productivity but not in itself a limit to functionality - is unavailable at the moment and you therefore conclude that the rest of the good things that are apparently possible with X-trans files should not be released?

    Did I understand that correctly?

    Are you saying you HAVE to use automask with all of your X-trans files? If so, why? What is wrong with X-trans to make that necessary?

    I have seen some good results from people who have the X-trans based cameras and few people seem to have any criticisms so I have been thinking about buying one. But if I'm going to have to mask edits to all of the images for some reason then I don't think it is so good that it will be worth the effort.

    What can you tell me?


    Grant Perkins
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  • Jim MSP
    [quote="Paul_Steunebrink" wrote:
    [quote="NNN635009287539797261" wrote:
    ........
    It is camera specific, hence not a bug in the program but a certain feature missing for specific camera formats.


    Just for the record, it also doesn't work on large panoramics that have been stitched from multiple photos.
    Not a killer, but it is inconvenient.
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  • kaars
    I just downloaded 7.1.3 Pro for OSX and I get the same message when using my Leica DLUX-4 RAW files.
    Should I just stick with Capture One 6.x Pro?
    Will will this version be maintained for future MacOSX releases?
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    [quote="kaars" wrote:
    I just downloaded 7.1.3 Pro for OSX and I get the same message when using my Leica DLUX-4 RAW files.
    Should I just stick with Capture One 6.x Pro?
    Will will this version be maintained for future MacOSX releases?

    Note: there is no auto mask in CO Pro 6.
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  • Christian Gruner
    [quote="kaars" wrote:
    I just downloaded 7.1.3 Pro for OSX and I get the same message when using my Leica DLUX-4 RAW files.
    Should I just stick with Capture One 6.x Pro?
    Will will this version be maintained for future MacOSX releases?


    As Paul syas, there's no auto-mask feature in CO6. So, just use the normal brush in CO7, and you won't get this message.
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  • NNN635041242226034663
    I am having the same problem with a Panasonic GH3, which is not listed as "Preliminary" in the release notes. Could I be doing something round, or is the GH3 not supported?
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  • Christian Gruner
    [quote="NNN635041242226034663" wrote:
    I am having the same problem with a Panasonic GH3, which is not listed as "Preliminary" in the release notes. Could I be doing something round, or is the GH3 not supported?


    I think you should make a separate thread for this one? Unless it is related to the auto masking feature ?
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  • NNN635041242226034663
    Yes. This is related to the auto masking feature. Is auto masking supported on the GH3?
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  • NN635065702198330154UL
    I also find the Auto Mask Brush does not work with the Panasonic GX1 RW2 file format on Version 7.1.3 Pro.

    I would like to suggest that Capture One change the message being displayed to advice users to switch off the "auto mask" tick box when the auto mask is not supported. It is not clear to a new user that it is possible to continue working with the normal brush.
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    [quote="NN635065702198330154UL" wrote:
    ?..
    I would like to suggest that Capture One change the message being displayed to advice users to switch off the "auto mask" tick box when the auto mask is not supported. It is not clear to a new user that it is possible to continue working with the normal brush.

    Sensible suggestion.
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  • NNN635041242226034663
    [quote="NNN635041242226034663" wrote:
    Yes. This is related to the auto masking feature. Is auto masking supported on the GH3?


    Any feedback on my post from the Phase One folks?
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  • mikekatz
    I'm just trying to get my software development head around this issue.
    Of course I don't know how other RAW software works, but it seems strange (and a lot of work!) if a feature such as auto mask has to be implemented for each specific camera.
    I always imagined that RAW software demosaiced the file on a unique basis, but that after that you ended up with an image in memory that is not unique at all, and that the software tools and transforms did not have to know or worry about which camera the image came from.
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  • Christian Gruner
    [quote="NNN635041242226034663" wrote:
    [quote="NNN635041242226034663" wrote:
    Yes. This is related to the auto masking feature. Is auto masking supported on the GH3?


    Any feedback on my post from the Phase One folks?


    This is a bug. It will be fixed in a future version. Thank you for reporting it.
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  • Andrew Johnston
    [quote="Christian Gr" wrote:
    [quote="NNN635041242226034663" wrote:
    [quote="NNN635041242226034663" wrote:
    Yes. This is related to the auto masking feature. Is auto masking supported on the GH3?


    Any feedback on my post from the Phase One folks?


    This is a bug. It will be fixed in a future version. Thank you for reporting it.


    Hi,

    I have just downloaded 7.1.4. Attempting to mask a Panasonic GH2 image still produces this message. Can we please have an update on when this is supposed to be fixed for Panasonic RAWs?

    Thanks
    Andrew
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  • Keith Towers
    Hi, I have noticed that I am getting the same error message when I select auto mask. I am using Fuji X-Trans RAF files. I will contact David Grover via the Fuji X Forum and see what he says about this. Draw mask and graduated mask work OK so I can't see why auto mask won't work.

    Regards...Keith
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  • SFA
    [quote="KeithT2" wrote:
    Hi, I have noticed that I am getting the same error message when I select auto mask. I am using Fuji X-Trans RAF files. I will contact David Grover via the Fuji X Forum and see what he says about this. Draw mask and graduated mask work OK so I can't see why auto mask won't work.

    Regards...Keith


    This has come up in the forums several times already. It would appear that the different technique required to interpret X Trans files rather then Bayer pattern files introduces some challenges when searching for distinct edges in the data on which to base the Automask functionality. Or something like that.

    Not having Automask to provide some assistance with masking distinct edges is hardly the end of the world, in my opinion. One would just have to find the edges manually - which is probably also the case with many Bayer based image files anyway unless the edges as very distinct.

    Perhaps this will change at some point in the future - who knows? I would have thought you might have tried a Support Case with Phase One to ask the question rather than chase a P1 representative for an answer via a different independent forum.



    Grant
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    [quote="KeithT2" wrote:
    Hi, I have noticed that I am getting the same error message when I select auto mask. I am using Fuji X-Trans RAF files. I will contact David Grover via the Fuji X Forum and see what he says about this. Draw mask and graduated mask work OK so I can't see why auto mask won't work.

    Regards...Keith

    You already answered your own question, as did Grant (SFA): it is X-Trans.

    Capture One 7 (and 8) have a few limitations regarding non-Bayer sensors, and auto mask is one of them. I would not be surprised you get a similar answer from David Grover.
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