Capture One 4.7 released
Today, Phase One released CO 4.7. It supports tethering with Canon 5D mkII and Nikon D3X. It is also possible to make adjustments to JPEG and TIFF files. Other additions are improved P65+ image quality and high quality preview from the operating system, a new Enhanced Image Package file format and usability improvements like output naming and adjustments keyboard control. See the release notes for details.
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I don't see what the point of the new EIP format is. This is one of those decisions that was made long ago to keep settings and files
separate and now they change it? After PhaseOne ditched support for 3.7 archive settings why should I trust them NOT to ditch EIP in the next major upgrade?
At least with the 3.7 settings I still have my raw file which I can do over. But with EIP you've got it stuck in a proprietary format that no
other software can read.0 -
and adjustments keyboard control. See the release notes for details.
Paul,
this is the only feature I am really interested in but can't find anything in either the release notes or the new PDF manual. Can you point me to any specific documentation?
Does it work in the same manner as 3.x, ie Control +/- for exposure Control+Shift +/- for WB etc? Do they still operate if the controls have been moved into the Adjustments Tab? If so, are these editable via the Shortcut Editor?
If any 2 of these criteria have been met I will be a very happy camper.
Regards,
Terry0 -
[quote="Igor" wrote:
I don't see what the point of the new EIP format is. This is one of those decisions that was made long ago to keep settings and files
separate and now they change it? After PhaseOne ditched support for 3.7 archive settings why should I trust them NOT to ditch EIP in the next major upgrade?
At least with the 3.7 settings I still have my raw file which I can do over. But with EIP you've got it stuck in a proprietary format that no
other software can read.
It's not proprietary - it's based on ZIP:
http://www.captureintegration.com/2009/ ... ck-is-eip/0 -
[quote="Terry9" wrote:
and adjustments keyboard control. See the release notes for details.
Paul,
this is the only feature I am really interested in but can't find anything in either the release notes or the new PDF manual. Can you point me to any specific documentation?
Does it work in the same manner as 3.x, ie Control +/- for exposure Control+Shift +/- for WB etc? Do they still operate if the controls have been moved into the Adjustments Tab? If so, are these editable via the Shortcut Editor?
Terry,
It is in the 4.7 release notes, page 1, one of the Usability Improvements: Adjusting numeric input field using keyboard arrows keys.
Place the cursor in a numeric input field and use the up/down arrow keys to change the value. Not similar to CO3. Editable in Shortcut Editor: not tried that yet.
With the tab key you can switch to the next (shift+tab: previous) field. This tabbing is not always working smoothly on Windows, I think.0 -
[quote="Mikkel" wrote:
It's not proprietary - it's based on ZIP:
http://www.captureintegration.com/2009/ ... ck-is-eip/
Thank you very much for the link. Sounds interesting.
Do I get it right if I assume that once I "unzip" an EIP file I'll receive the folder structure (CaptureOne\settings45) that I (or somebody else using Capture One 4.7) would need to be able to directly continue work on the RAW files (comparable to the common ZIP options)?
Thanks for coming back to me,
Michael0 -
[quote="Michael" wrote:
Do I get it right if I assume that once I "unzip" an EIP file I'll receive the folder structure (CaptureOne\settings45) that I (or somebody else using Capture One 4.7) would need to be able to directly continue work on the RAW files (comparable to the common ZIP options)?
Yes, that's right . 😊 You will also be able to view the unzipped files in older version of CO (4.5 or later) with no problem.0 -
Has anyone checked whether the metadat/IPTC data handling has been improved. I am not going to get chance to test if before the weekend and it is not usable for me unless IPTC pass through from RAW to output is fully functional. Is it worth me downloading 4.7? 0 -
[quote="Mikkel" wrote:
[quote="Michael" wrote:
Do I get it right if I assume that once I "unzip" an EIP file I'll receive the folder structure (CaptureOne\settings45) that I (or somebody else using Capture One 4.7) would need to be able to directly continue work on the RAW files (comparable to the common ZIP options)?
Yes, that's right . 😊 You will also be able to view the unzipped files in older version of CO (4.5 or later) with no problem.
I just installed V 4.7 in order to try the new file format feature. The option "Pack as EIP" is deactivated. Now comes: In the manual, page 111, it reads:13.5 Can I use .EIP on any type of RAW file?
.EIP is supporting RAW files from any Phase One back.
No kidding!
When I read the release notes I thought that was meant to refer to the tethered shooting capability (directly into .EIP) only.
That's disillusioning - friendly speaking... 🤬0 -
finally I can start C1 from within XnView and it will open the selected file !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
today I am happy 😄0 -
[quote="Mikkel" wrote:
It's not proprietary - it's based on ZIP
Why re-invent the wheel? DNG is also a container than can optionally house the original Raw. No sorry ZIP is not an open source image format. DNG is fully documented. Eventually the ISO will use part or all of DNG when they update TIFF/EP (ISO 12234).
OTOH, I do like the idea of EIP/ZIP holding multiple images for stitched/combined images with the ability to display a large thumbnail/preview. DNG can't do that do that, well not yet.
-- Robert.0 -
[quote="Robert" wrote:
[quote="Mikkel" wrote:
It's not proprietary - it's based on ZIP
Why re-invent the wheel? DNG is also a container than can optionally house the original Raw. No sorry ZIP is not an open source image format. DNG is fully documented. Eventually the ISO will use part or all of DNG when they update TIFF/EP (ISO 12234).
OTOH, I do like the idea of EIP/ZIP holding multiple images for stitched/combined images with the ability to display a large thumbnail/preview. DNG can't do that do that, well not yet.
-- Robert.
The basic ZIP format is a public standard which is free to use. No matter what, you can get to your original RAW file in a split second without having Capture One installed at all.
DNG is not very practical as it rewrites the raw data in a new format which doesn't necessarily take all camera vendor settings into account. Embedding the original raw effectively doubles the size of the DNG.0 -
[quote="Mikkel" wrote:
True. But the RAW file is renamed afterwards. The "eip" has the file name of the original RAW file but after extracting it as zip the RAW file is called "0.TIF".
The basic ZIP format is a public standard which is free to use. No matter what, you can get to your original RAW file in a split second without having Capture One installed at all.
So you can open the "eip" after renaming it to "zip"... but than you have to rename your rawfile, too.0 -
[quote="thomas" wrote:
[quote="Mikkel" wrote:
True. But the RAW file is renamed afterwards. The "eip" has the file name of the original RAW file but after extracting it as zip the RAW file is called "0.TIF".
The basic ZIP format is a public standard which is free to use. No matter what, you can get to your original RAW file in a split second without having Capture One installed at all.
So you can open the "eip" after renaming it to "zip"... but than you have to rename your rawfile, too.
Using a zip tool is for emergencies only. As long as you use Capture One to pack/unpack, it keeps the names.
Renaming the Raw file internally is practical so old names aren't retained inside the package. It might originally have had a name you didn't want a customer/others to see.0 -
[quote="Mikkel" wrote:
No objection to it. But in the long term with regard to back up it's tricky. When Capture One is off one day you have to restore all data from zip... and then you have to rename all files. As the "eip" itself keeps the name this is possible. But days... weeks of work.
Using a zip tool is for emergencies only. As long as you use Capture One to pack/unpack, it keeps the names.
Renaming the Raw file internally is practical so old names aren't retained inside the package. It might originally have had a name you didn't want a customer/others to see.0 -
It is in the 4.7 release notes, page 1, one of the Usability Improvements: Adjusting numeric input field using keyboard arrows keys.
Place the cursor in a numeric input field and use the up/down arrow keys to change the value. Not similar to CO3. Editable in Shortcut Editor: not tried that yet.
With the tab key you can switch to the next (shift+tab: previous) field. This tabbing is not always working smoothly on Windows, I think.
Paul,
this is not an improvement for Windows, this has been in place since at least 4.5, probably earlier, I think you may find it is new for the Mac version.
The problem with it is as soon as you move the cursors focus from the adjustments, ie selecting the WB tool, you must place the cursor back into a field. With 3.7 or higher, Control + -/+ increased/decreased exposure .05 stop etc. There was a long discussion about this here:
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=6008
My continuing beef about this is that changing focus and returning it takes say, 10 seconds. I had a quiet week at work, about 1,800 files to correct, I would estimate I have to change focus for 1 in 3 files, 600 files means 100 minutes lost. The maths is a bit neat but you get the idea, last week was 2,200 files. The old version would cut this 10 seconds to about 3 because your eye did not need to move from the Viewer to the Panel to reinsert the cursor and also to make sure you have hit Tab the correct number of times.
Has the problem with Session Favorites been sorted? I had a fresh instal (4.6.3) done today on a new machine, checked the Do Not Ask Again when the Do you want to add to session favourites dialogue appeared, said no, worked the first time and never again afterwards. Very annoying. Also, when files are sent to the Move to... folder it would seem that a copy of the Cache files move as well, but the original Cache files remain. After a couple of days this adds up to a substantial amount of redundant data.
Can someone tell me where to build a support case as I can't find it easily anywhere?
Having said all this, do not mistake me for a disgruntled user, these few minor bitches are only small annoyances with what is otherwise an extremely good piece of software. For example, the ability to split colours into different density ranges and adjust the saturation and angle separately has, for someone who deals with mixed lighting all the time, become an indispensable feature not available in any other package.
Cheers,
Terry0 -
[quote="Mikkel" wrote:
DNG is not very practical as it rewrites the raw data in a new format which doesn't necessarily take all camera vendor settings into account. Embedding the original raw effectively doubles the size of the DNG.
DNG is a religious call, you either believe in it or you don't. In theory it works and has wide industry support. Having an 800lb gorilla behind it helps. I can't see EIP taking on DNG. For starters it only works with Phase One Raw files.
EIP has some good points. I'd prefer the industry adopt a common standard like DNG rather than keep making new ones.
For those worried about unzipping EIP: many renaming tools can batch modify file extensions that will keep the embedded filenames. It's a good idea to store your filename in metadata, which again many apps can use to batch rename. As Phase One only supports legacy IPTC use the IPTC Source field.
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Newbie here... hi everyone. Has anyone managed to get 4.7 running on Win7 (Windows 7)? I'm running a post-beta build from MS and 4.7 crashes every time I try to select a raw image (images are all from my Canon 10D). WRT applications, Win7 isn't that different than Vista, so I was really expecting it to work.
Thanks,
Peter0 -
[quote="Peter" wrote:
Newbie here... hi everyone. Has anyone managed to get 4.7 running on Win7 (Windows 7)? I'm running a post-beta build from MS and 4.7 crashes every time I try to select a raw image (images are all from my Canon 10D). WRT applications, Win7 isn't that different than Vista, so I was really expecting it to work.
Hi Peter, welcome to the forum. I have setup a clean Win7 beta (public beta, build 7000), CO 4.7. Next, I took a bunch of Canon raw files (10D, 20D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 5D, 5D2). Adjusted and processed. Runs flawlessly.
As is common with beta software, you might benefit from a fresh installation.0 -
[quote="Martin" wrote:
Has anyone checked whether the metadat/IPTC data handling has been improved. I am not going to get chance to test if before the weekend and it is not usable for me unless IPTC pass through from RAW to output is fully functional. Is it worth me downloading 4.7?
YES! PhaseOne finally heard us! The metadata are now better handled: not yet fully exported but at least the EXIF GPS and the IPTC metadata are transparently exported (not editable in normal version).
More details in this dedicated topic
Besides, the noise reduction / sharpening algorithms seem also to have been again updated, as I can see little differences between a picture proceeded with 4.6.3 and with 4.7 while the settings kept the same.0 -
[quote="Paul_E" wrote:
Hi Peter, welcome to the forum. I have setup a clean Win7 beta (public beta, build 7000), CO 4.7. Next, I took a bunch of Canon raw files (10D, 20D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 5D, 5D2). Adjusted and processed. Runs flawlessly.
As is common with beta software, you might benefit from a fresh installation.
Thank you much for the data point Paul. I was trying to avoid an OS re-install... but it looks like that's what I get to do. Let me just say: yay.
Regards,
Peter0 -
[quote="Terry9" wrote:
this is not an improvement for Windows, this has been in place since at least 4.5, probably earlier, I think you may find it is new for the Mac version.
The problem with it is as soon as you move the cursors focus from the adjustments, ie selecting the WB tool, you must place the cursor back into a field. With 3.7 or higher, Control + -/+ increased/decreased exposure .05 stop etc. There was a long discussion about this here:
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=6008
I'm with Terry, what kind of improvement is that? Why can't anyone at get it that the way the keyboard shortcuts worked in 3.6 was a GREAT idea. Why remove that functionality and then not put it back when everyone wants it? What is the downside of putting those keyboard shortcuts back in?
I know this has been discussed a LOT, but come one Phase One? WTF?!!
-Darin0 -
I have put in a request to add the keyboard shortcuts back (ala 3.x) and has fallen on deaf ears. I don't think the person I contacted even knew what I was talking about. I was even told at one time that this ability was going to be added but obviously it hasn't been. They went so far to give us 3.7 keyboard shortcut ability but you can't do the exposure/color adjustments. What a waste. As someone who does about 500 photos almost every day I need those shortcuts back or I will be stuck using 3.7 forever.
I wish they would listen to it's users.[quote="Darin" wrote:
[quote="Terry9" wrote:
this is not an improvement for Windows, this has been in place since at least 4.5, probably earlier, I think you may find it is new for the Mac version.
The problem with it is as soon as you move the cursors focus from the adjustments, ie selecting the WB tool, you must place the cursor back into a field. With 3.7 or higher, Control + -/+ increased/decreased exposure .05 stop etc. There was a long discussion about this here:
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=6008
I'm with Terry, what kind of improvement is that? Why can't anyone at get it that the way the keyboard shortcuts worked in 3.6 was a GREAT idea. Why remove that functionality and then not put it back when everyone wants it? What is the downside of putting those keyboard shortcuts back in?
I know this has been discussed a LOT, but come one Phase One? WTF?!!
-Darin0 -
[quote="dan" wrote:
I have put in a request to add the keyboard shortcuts back (ala 3.x) and has fallen on deaf ears. I don't think the person I contacted even knew what I was talking about. I was even told at one time that this ability was going to be added but obviously it hasn't been. They went so far to give us 3.7 keyboard shortcut ability but you can't do the exposure/color adjustments. What a waste. As someone who does about 500 photos almost every day I need those shortcuts back or I will be stuck using 3.7 forever.
I wish they would listen to it's users.[quote="Darin" wrote:
[quote="Terry9" wrote:
this is not an improvement for Windows, this has been in place since at least 4.5, probably earlier, I think you may find it is new for the Mac version.
The problem with it is as soon as you move the cursors focus from the adjustments, ie selecting the WB tool, you must place the cursor back into a field. With 3.7 or higher, Control + -/+ increased/decreased exposure .05 stop etc. There was a long discussion about this here:
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=6008
I'm with Terry, what kind of improvement is that? Why can't anyone at get it that the way the keyboard shortcuts worked in 3.6 was a GREAT idea. Why remove that functionality and then not put it back when everyone wants it? What is the downside of putting those keyboard shortcuts back in?
I know this has been discussed a LOT, but come one Phase One? WTF?!!
-Darin
Bump for 3.7 KB Shortcuts.0
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