Crop outside image?!
Ok, either i'm going mad, it doesn't actually exist or i'm being rather slow...
I have a whole load of jewellery shots shot in portrait, full out. I need to crop these now into a square format, so.. the tops and bottoms full out in a square, and the left and right will have borders, or at least they would if i could drag a square crop from top to bottom. I would then sort out the rest of the white background in Photoshop. But i'm unable to do this?
In Lightroom, i would set a square crop, but i'd then have the Transform/Scale option to bring the image fully into my constraints. Job done.
Could anyone throw some light onto how i, hopefully, do this in Capture One?!
thanks!
I have a whole load of jewellery shots shot in portrait, full out. I need to crop these now into a square format, so.. the tops and bottoms full out in a square, and the left and right will have borders, or at least they would if i could drag a square crop from top to bottom. I would then sort out the rest of the white background in Photoshop. But i'm unable to do this?
In Lightroom, i would set a square crop, but i'd then have the Transform/Scale option to bring the image fully into my constraints. Job done.
Could anyone throw some light onto how i, hopefully, do this in Capture One?!
thanks!
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Just as a heads up, i had to go into Lightroom to finish this job as i'd normally do.
I've posted a screenshot of how what i end up with in Lightroom.
So, a portrait shot cropped to square format and scaled down so that it fits into the crop, top and bottom.
I then output these particular crops for the client, 2000px square and the rest of the background is cutout to white.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/eszpitsvl4800 ... 0.png?dl=00 -
Hi,
two steps of what you want to do are pretty easy to achieve.
First, for a square sized crop you go into the crop menu and select there "square" or 1:1 and then pull the image corners to the desired crop size.
Secondly, the definition of the desired output pixel size could be done via an output recipe where you change in the basic section the "fixed" (which means 100% pixel size) to "long side" and in the then appearing subsection you put the 2,000px as desired. Since que crop is square the output also will be.
The operation of adding a white border to the image can't be done easily. I could imagine to do it via local adjustment but it wouldn't work correctly because thelocal adjustment feature would be lacking the possibility to draw a mask in a predefined shape (square; inverted; just a bit bigger than the desired output to get the border; exposure correction to max so that the content gets white). For now the mask shape can be drawn manually and so it would be difficult to get straight borders. Perhaps a gradient mask on 4 different adjustment layers - but then it would still be difficult to get to a final square shape.
Actually the vignetting toll allows something similar - but also lacking other than eliptic or round shapes - btw. the round shape might do the trick at least with a smooth transition. Not right a border.0 -
Thanks for your reply Michael, but unfortunately still wouldn't work.
With the portrait shot that i have in C1, i need to be able to drag the square crop out of the confines of the portrait shot in order to fit the top and bottom in. As it stands, i can draw out a square crop to the maximum width and it will always end up cropping the top and bottom of my image.
I'm guessing in C1, the only way of doing this is to output the full image with a fixed width of 2000px and then to change the canvas size in Photoshop to 2000px height to create the square crop and to then scale the image itself down so that the top and bottom fit into the crop area. Quite a lot of messing around it seems.
I'm missing the transform/scale option in Lightroom.... bah...0 -
Sorry but I'm failing to understand what exactly you're trying to do.
If you want to use a crop and add blank content around C1 is not the right tool to do this. This applies also for any type of creation of composites. C1 is a RAW conversion SW with already lots of editing tools - but due to this it's getting already pretty complex.
If you have a crop smaller than your needed (fixed) output size you can also create an upscaled output in C1. If this is the best way / best tool though is another question.0 -
Well, i'm simply trying to crop a full out portrait image, shot onto white, into a square format.
Having to output the full portrait image as a TIFF in order to then crop it in something like Photoshop is inefficient and takes up way more disk space initially. I'd much rather do this straight at the RAW stage myself, give the files to finish off to one of my staff and move on!0 -
Well I guess your original image has a 2:3 ratio. And it is was shot in portrait orientation if I'm understanding you correctly.
What I'm not getting is why going to the crop tool in the top middle section of the C1 screen, holding the mouse until the options appear and then selecting the "square" option, then clicking on the tool so it turns orange and finally going with the cursor to one of the corners of your image (four-way-arrow turning into a two-way-arrow) and pulling slightly the corner with the mouse button held wouldn't create a square format crop. The size of this square crop can be from width of your image at max to any smaller size where your subject fits. Simple and straightforward.
Amother step is the definition of what size you want the crop size being "exported" into the desired file format (JPG or Tiff). Usually it's the "fixed" in the Output toolset at 100% (gearwheel in the top left section) under Process Recipe / Basic / Scale what means that a X pixel square would be exported with the same X pixels.
It's under that "Scale" tab where you could also for example choose the entry "Long Edge" and right below define a pixel count for the export. When you put in there 2,000px then the output file will have that pixel count on its longer side (downsized if the original crop size is bigger).
HTH.0 -
To be able to crop "outside" the working image size you really need the concept of a "canvas" to work on.
Up to a point C1 offers this but only by allowing the "canvas" to be a rectangle described by the location of the 4 corners of the original image. Out side that constraint you have left photographic editing and moved into graphics manipulation. That is the clear origin of many applications that have become photo editors but is much less common of RAW file converters that have moved into more comprehensive Photo Editing areas of functionality.
Have you considered printing to a file as an alternative output method? Then you might be able to make use of margins.
I have no idea if that would be practical for your purpose.
Grant0
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